Sunday, February 1, 2009

Week 3 blog on Dubliners

The Boarding House

I enjoyed The Boarding House because it seemed like there was a lot happening that wasn’t spoken. Mrs. Mooney, described as being a cunning and firm woman, was just that: she knew how to get her way. By allowing her daughter Polly to flirt with the boarders, and by keeping quiet about it, Mrs. Mooney undoubtedly realized that eventually the flirting would go so far with some poor man that Mrs. Mooney would have just cause to insist that the man marry Polly. Perhaps, because Mrs. Mooney did not feel that her daughter would be safe working outside the home, due to visits by Mrs. Mooney’s dangerous, drunk ex-husband, Mrs. Mooney thought that marrying Polly off would be a way to get her out of the house but at the same time, the girl would have someone to look over her. Still, I find it ironic that after suffering such an awful marriage herself, Mrs. Mooney would manipulate her daughter to marry a man who very well may not be suited to her. But perhaps Mrs. Mooney needed a way to control people since she undoubtedly felt that she had no control over her ex-husband’s abusive behavior.

Mr. Doran, the man who presumably succumbs to agreeing to marry Polly (though we never really know for sure), was paralyzed for this reason. He could have left town, but didn’t, because of the guilt put on him by Mrs. Mooney and the priest, and because of the threat he felt from Polly’s brother. Joyce slams the strictness of Catholicism again, and he also highlights the fact that those who stay in Dublin will never be able to make good choices for themselves. It is doubtful that Mr. Doran and Polly will have a good life together. Aside from the fact that they are very different, who knows if Polly’s kind acts towards Mr. Doran will continue once she and her mother get what they want. She is a self-proclaimed “naughty girl,” and she is able to rouse herself from tears (whether actual or feigned) in almost no time. This indicates to me that she is not a genuine person.

A Little Cloud

I enjoyed this story very much as well. Little Chandler is obviously the paralyzed character in this chapter, as he is stuck in a joyless marriage and has no hope of moving on to bigger and better things with either his work or his love life. Though he can really only blame himself for his inaction, I nevertheless feel sorry for Little Chandler. He lacked the strength (and possibly talent) to launch himself into a better career, and his devoutness to his religion seemed to hold him back as well, keeping him from exploring more exciting “immoral” cities such as Paris and London. His physique was described as childlike, and perhaps that imposed a sense of powerlessness on him. He couldn’t even control his crying baby. The anticipation of meeting with his successful, worldly friend probably made him feel like he was floating on a “little cloud,” allowing him to think that if his friend, who had less education and refinement than he did, could become so successful and happy, then he had a chance, too. However, the fantasy didn’t last, and Chandler eventually became envious of his friend and bitter about his own life and the fact that his timidity stood in the way of his chance for accomplishments. I found it interesting that in this chapter, Joyce comes out and states: “There was no doubt about it: if you wanted to succeed, you had to go away. You could do nothing in Dublin.” What is hinted at throughout each chapter of the book is laid out very clearly in A Little Cloud.

Counterparts

I found this story to be very disturbing. The main character, Farrington, is often referred to as “the man” by the narrator, perhaps because he was such a despicable individual that he didn’t deserve to be called by name...that would give him too much human quality. This man has just about every bad quality imaginable: he has a creepy physique, with “dirty” eyes; he is lazy (paralyzed?) as an employee; he is disrespectful to his superiors; he is short tempered and mean to his friends when he doesn’t get his way; he is inclined to cheat on his wife; he is irresponsible with money; and he is abusive to his family. There is not one good thing about him. What’s even worse is that others allow him to continue behaving the way he does—his boss has not yet fired him, his friends continue to socialize with him, and his large family is likely dependent on him to bring in money, and thus, they are stuck with him. In Joyce’s opinion, it was people such as this man as well as the fact that others tolerated him that held Ireland back.

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  1. The Boarding House

    This was a very interesting story. It doesn’t seem to be as sad as the others we have read. I liked the excitement. It was unfortunate that Mr. Mooney turned on Mrs. Mooney for the worse. I felt bad that she had to go out on her own with the children. But as the book says she was a determined woman. The boarding house was a good idea but what made he choose to mange that? I found it interesting how she would let her daughter flirt with the young men and not intervene. I was surprised to find out about the whole incident with Polly and Mr. Doran. The age difference was quite large. I felt sorry for Mr. Doran that his job would be jeopardized because if this incident but on the other hand I do not because it takes two for what they did. Near the end Mrs. Mooney was saying that she was for sure she would win this battle and I believe she was referring to making him marry her daughter. This fact arose the question in my mind that will they have a good marriage? Mrs. Mooney herself married a man who worked for her father and now her daughter, Polly, is marrying someone from her establishment. Will Polly’s marriage turn out the same way as her mother’s did?

    A Little Cloud

    This one goes back to Joyce’s concept of being paralyzed. Tommy is very unsure about his life right now. It mentions again how if you want to become anything you would have to leave Dublin. No one ever became anything by staying there. When Tommy meets up with his old friend he feels quite happy. On his way there he seems to be trying to come up with a proposal for his friend about becoming a poet or writer of some sort yet when he gets to the bar he doesn’t say anything, I wonder why? After he is done meeting with his old friend he finds his way home. He forgot to get the parcel of coffee for his wife, would this because he was thinking about what Ignatius had said about how he was still exploring the world and not settling down? I think he had thoughts about his own life and why he decided to marry when he did. When he sits there holding his son he stares at the picture of his wife and realizes there was something about her that he could not stand and when she comes home to the baby screaming and takes him away from Tommy, that feeling comes back of annoyance but in my opinion he feels obligated to stay because of his son. Again Joyce has the concept of being trapped displayed.

    Counterparts

    Yet again Joyce created another sad story. Near the beginning I could not tell where it was going. Once Farrington ran down to O’Neill’s to grab a drink I could tell that he was a drunk. Sitting there, not paying attention to his work and getting distracted very easily. Joyce seemed to portray him as a very unhappy man much like in “A little Cloud”. He does not like his job and all he can think about is his upcoming evening. The man develops a large amount of anger as the night progresses. When the man finally decides to make his way home he is full of anger as it says “his fury nearly choked him”. I feel bad for the child (Tom) as he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. His mother was not home for his father to unleash his anger on so he took it out on his son. All the son was doing was trying to fix his father some supper and ended up getting punished for it. Although he says he is not even drunk I don’t believe so. I believe he is too drunk to even notice that he is. This story is much like the previous one, the fathers start at work and head to a bar then make their way home and both are angry.

    Jonathan Taylor

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    Out of the three readings for this day, I happened to like this one the most because it kept me the most engaged. First off, Mrs. Mooney seperates from her husband which didn't seem like the typical thing to do for a irish women at the time (as far as i know from the reading) and opens her own boarding house. She is known as "The madam" which i understand to be as the female pimp. She wants her daughter to come home to entertain the men which she does and is interested in Mr. Doran. In the mean time Mrs. Mooney does not intervene until it is too late and polly is pregnant with Mr. Dorans child. I believe this story is trying to symbolize to the reader that stradegy and acceptance are the only means to survival to these people. Stragedy in that polly intentionally becomes pregnant and acceptance that Mr. Doran is worried about his reputation and marrying a girl in a lower class.

    A little Cloud

    This short story talks about how little Chandler is frustrated with his simple life in dublin and how he wants to become a successful poet. He meets his friend Gallaher at the bar and how successful he is and therefore little chandler feels sorry for himself. He wonders what his life would be like if he hadn't gotten married. He gets home yells at his screaming son and looks at picture of his wife and notices how cold her face is and is mad. But then she comes home and he feels remorse. Little chandler symbolizes paralysis in that he is trapped in dublin and the only way to be successful is if he leaves and goes to england. He has a epithany though and realizes he will never change.

    Counterparts

    In this short story, farrington see's everything as an obstacle and doesn't desire anything. For example, he deosnt like his job but doesnt do anything tp improve it, he drinks to much and spends all his money, loses at arm wrestling to weathers and beats his son for not keeping the fire going. He doesn't appear to see any reason for living almost and that everything is just a road blocker for him. This story symbolizes entrapment just like all the others and not being able to get out of it. This story was very depressing and depicted irishmen as very uncompetent.

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    I agree with Jonathon about his surprises and resoning for the boarding house story. It seemed very different from the other stories and made you question what the future holds unlike the other stories because it seemed so unlike irish women of the time for all i know.

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    I concur with kaitlyn a bout the strategy that Mrs Mooney had for Doran, she knew that they would end up getting married if her daughter got pregnant.Also Farrington does nothing in ensuring that his job is a fulfilling.

    The boarding house

    Mrs Mooney shows that she is an independent woman who has authority over her workers.she is also cunning and firm.It is interesting to learn how she kept silence about an affair which was going on.Doran is one of her tenant and she knew him as a rich reserved person.This was a good target for her because she knew that incase her daughter got pregnant, there is no way he could not marry her.Her plans becomes successful and her daughter is married to Doran

    A little cloud

    I think chandler is dreamer who never gets anything done.He wants to be successful just because his friend was a renown writer and had also traveled abroad yet he has been in Dublin his all life.He believe that to be successful, one has to leave their home. He wants to be poet but there he does not show any ability of poetry writing.He got married to his wife because the wife was pretty and he regrets that.I think he could not be better even if he had the chance.

    Counterparts

    Ferrington is a big looser and irresponsible employee who never meets deadlines.His alcoholism has ruined his life and i think he has gave up in life.It reflects some people in the society mix business with pleasure.His family is probably not provided for because he spend all of his income in the bars.By him beating his own child just because his food was not ready explains why the wife was not home the time he came back.

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    Jonathon, I also felt that the boarding house was interesting and probably one of the more up beat stories we have read in this book. It was pretty sad that Mr. Mooney turned into that kind of man that would disgrace his wife like that, but it also represents what happens to the majority of the country at this time.

    The Boarding House

    I enjoyed this story the most because of the constant action occurring within the story. It was one of the more entertaining stories we have read throughout this book of short stories. Mrs. Mooney was described as a cunning and firm woman, and this shows in the story when it says she splits from her husband and starts her own boarding house. She is also called “Madam,” which in itself makes her sound like a dominant figure. I found it interesting that she knew that her daughter was having relations with a man so much older than she is and just let it go by the wayside. Mrs. Mooney was kind of setting her daughter up for marriage, which didn’t seem natural considering the kind of marriage that she had.

    A Little Cloud

    It is very clear that Tommy is the character that is paralyzed in this story, and it is due to him living in Dublin. He doesn’t seem to certain about many things going on in his life, including what he is doing and being married and having a son. He becomes very envious of his friend that has less of an education than him, yet still seems to be more successful. This story was somewhat sad as you could tell that Tommy just felt trapped and held back by something that he couldn’t control.

    Counterparts

    Farrington is the man that made this story enjoyable. He is a disgusting man with extremely poor qualities. I found it somewhat humorous the qualities that were described of this man. He was quite a terrible man that had a big family that depended on him. He is lazy at work and never got fired; he goes to the bars every night and comes home angry, qualities of a poor soul and a drunk. Again, seems very representative of the whole country of Ireland.

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  7. The Boarding House is about a woman, Mrs. Mooney, who splits from her husband who is in the meat business and starts a boarding house on her own. She makes her daughter, Polly, come home from her job to work in the boarding house “entertaining” the men. Polly starts having relations with one of the men staying in the boarding house. After Polly gets pregnant, her mother intervenes, presumably to have Mr. Doran marry her daughter. I thought that Mrs. Mooney’s role as a mother was unusual and interesting. I wasn’t expecting her to be okay with her daughter’s relationship with Mr. Doran, but I think that at this time in Ireland, it was only important that your daughter got married, whether or not it was for love. If her daughter was married, Mrs. Mooney would no longer have to support her.

    I agree with Lindsay, that perhaps Mrs. Mooney was trying to protect her daughter in a way. While Joyce doesn’t give many positive attributes to Mrs. Mooney’s character, perhaps she saw Mr. Doran as a way to give her daughter a better life. While Mr. Doran did not seem like the best of men, he was better off than the Mooney family and could potentially take good care of Polly financially.

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  8. Lindsay, I completely agree with you on A Little Cloud. Joyce seems to evoke some kind of sympathy for Little Chandler even though the stagnation in his life is his own fault. By Joyce's description Little Chandler clearly lacks physical strength and physical presence which is unfortunate for someone who dreams of so much.

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  9. Good point Kelly, I too wasn't expecting Mrs. Doran to be okay with her daughters situation. Instead, of course, she was more than cool with it. She was actually all about it and getting rid of her daughter. Too bad despite all this stuff, the story still failed to interest me.

    The three stories we had to read this week were interesting. Personally, well I hated the main character I found the story counterparts to be really good. I thought it was good just because how much I hated Farrington. It was pretty hard for me to relate to or understand how Farrington could do that to his kid, despite seeing all the bad in his life. Even worse is that he was only one of many in Ireland at the time. It happened to plenty of poor kids. It is stories like this that make me thankful for my upbringing and child labor laws.

    The other two stories I found to be very uninteresting. Little Clouds was long and confusing, well the Boarding House never really kept my attention. If anything happened in Little Clouds, I missed it; to me it just seemed like a whole lot of nothing. If anything was interesting about the Boarding House, then I guess I missed that too. All in all neither matched up to Counterparts, which I think is my favorite story to date. It was easily the most interesting to me, with the least likable main character maybe ever. Farrington is a jerk, as with most of Dublin.

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  10. I agree with Lindsay’s comment about how Mrs. Mooney needed a way to control people since she felt like she had no control over her ex-husband’s abusive behavior. She definitely wanted to control everyone’s lives and by letting her daughter marry someone who was already married and may have not been the right person for her, Mrs. Mooney got her way.

    The Counterparts

    In the counterparts, Farrington sees everything in the world as an obstacle. Farrington job is based on him duplicating articles, which is a repetitive job. At first work irritates Farrington and then everything else in the story irritates Farrington. The root of Farrington’s unhappiness is the routine and repetition that defines his life. After finishing work, Farrington pawns his watch to get money after which Farrington goes to the pub where he was expecting to be free from routine and repetition when he and his friends use their system of each person buying a round. Weathers takes advantage of this system by taking advantage of Farrington which makes Farrington realize how this tradition is robbing him. Farrington was challenged to an arm wrestling competition. Farrington loses the first match and asks for a rematch. Farrington loses the second match as well which makes him even more frustrated. Farrington comes home and when he finds out his wife isn’t home and that it will take a while to make him dinner he decides to beat his child.

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  11. The Boarding House
    I enjoyed reading this story because it had some action in it. Mrs Mooney is the owner of the Boarding house and married to a drunken man. Mrs Mooney is strict and seems to know everything. When Polly, one of the guests of the Boarding House, begins an affair with her husband Mrs Mooney doesn’t seem to mind. Althouth Polly and Mr Doran do not know that she knows, she is getting pleasure out of the affair because she knows that this affair will ruin his reputation. Polly is only nineteen and not at all up to his standards, but when she gets pregnant he has no choice but to marry her because of the society they live in. This story shows marriage in a bad light because when he if he stays with Mrs Mooney he will be in a loveless marriage but still have his life. If he marries Polly he will be trapped in Dublin, lose his job, kill his reputation and also be in another loveless marriage. This story shows that in those times marriage was more about status and reputation than about love or feelings. I liked this story better than all the others because I could understand it and it seemed true to life.

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    I thought The Boarding House was a peculiar story. The mother was not your typical everyday mother. She was more of a mama pimp. She would say that she wanted the best for her daughter, but then her actions made her true mama pimp self shine. She was throwing her daughter in front of several different men on a regular basis. Eventually she let her daughter get pregnant and tried to force the man to marry her...True pimp'n if you ask me! haha

    A Little Cloud
    I don’t have much to say about this story. I liked it simply because it showed Little Chandlers true character...He HAD NONE! He constantly talked a talk but couldn’t walk the walk! (This is how a lot of people are)

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  13. I agree with Brittany. The Boarding House showed that marriage could get a bad rap. This is held true especially when people just get married because of a pregnancy. He didn’t marry her because he loved her, but instead he was going to marry her because he felt obligated by her mother and society.

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  14. “The Boarding House”

    This story bothered me because of its negative approach to the idea of marriage. Polly and The Madame were actually happy that Mr. Doran had gotten Polly pregnant, because he was older, accomplished man from a wealthier family. Mr. Doran is torn by the pressures of his family and society. On the one hand, he feels socially obligated to take Polly as his wife; while on the other hand, his parents would not be happy with Polly becoming part of the family. Her family’s reputation and class did not mesh well with the Dorans. As with most of Joyce’s stories, I was frustrated at the end of the story because he did not make it clear as to which decision Mr. Doran made; I’m assuming he caved into society’s pressure and decided to marry Polly. I think that there was definitely a double standard with women having sexual relations at that time in Ireland. In so many of Joyce’s stories we see men hooking up with women whenever they want, but when a woman like Polly for instance has an affair with one man, the entire town is outraged.

    “A Little Cloud”

    Little Chandler was holding himself back from being happy/ pursuing his dreams. He tried to blame his problems on Ireland and his marriage. I think that Joyce was trying to show that the Irish blamed Ireland for their inability to be successful; they thought that there was a “cloud” over Ireland, blocking the sunlight of hope from reaching them (metaphor?).

    “Counterparts”

    --Lindsay, your comment of “In Joyce’s opinion, it was people such as this man… that held Ireland back” really resonated in my mind. I think you are exactly right; the entire point of this story was to show that there were so many people in Ireland who were unmotivated and had no confidence or pride in their country. They pretty much had nothing to live for and resorted to alcohol. Farrington was the perfect example of this, just like so many of his Irish counterparts. Counterparts means “one that closely resembles another”.

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    This story made me realize what kind of pressure is put on someone who is put into that kind of situation. But it seemed like the whole time that Polly was having the affair with the 35 year old guy, like her mother knew about it and it seemed to me like she wanted something to happen so then that way they would be forced to get married. But that’s not always the case. You shouldn’t have to marry someone if you don’t want to. Granit she did end up pregnant, but Polly’s mother should not have put such pressure on Mr. Doran to marry her daughter. I didn’t think that was very motherly of her. Why not let your daughter be with someone who she wants to be with. She made him feel like he was trapped in this situation, he could either marry Polly or his career and reputation would go down the drain. Guess what they say could be true, mother knows best, but not in all circumstances.

    A Little Cloud
    This guy thinks he could be a poet……he doesn’t even talk or write poetically. To me, he seemed very egotistical. Anyone who thinks they are too good for their home town or think they are so good at something, when really they suck at it, well I would have to say they are a little bit on the cocky side. He seemed like he was too good for everything. He just wasn’t happy with himself and I think that’s why he acted the way he did. Like when he was looking at the picture of his wife, he showed no emotion or anything which leads me to believe that there was no passion between the two. You have to be happy with yourself before you can be happy with anything or anyone else. And until he gets that point in his head, then I think he would be a miserable man.

    Counterparts
    This guy is a drunk. He would rather be out spending money that he doesn’t have, just to make his friends happy with a little bit of alcohol. He has five children, I’m sure that his money could go toward better things than his drinking problem. But then his drinking problem, and his anger, turned into abuse toward his child. All that happened was that the fire died down….that’s nothing to really get that upset about. It is especially nothing to beat your child over. If he would have been home when dinner was ready, then none of this would have happened. He wouldn’t have gotten rejected by the girl at the bar, he wouldn’t have lost both arm wrestles with Weathers, and he would have no reason to beat his son.

    Brittany Tompkins
    I agree with what you had to say about The Boarding House. It’s true that they pretty much only had to marry because of the society they live in. He is going to kill his reputation, just because of some stupid mistake. This story was also easier for me to understand, because you could relate it to today’s society, because some people do get married just because there is a baby on the way, not because they truly love each other.

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    I liked this story more than the other stories we have read so far. I found it very odd though however that the mother had nothing against Polly and Mr. Doran getting married and being in a relationship. I think the mother had very odd ways of raising her daughter to bein with, with almost letting her get around with the men and the boarding house. Im sure if when I was 19, and if I wanted to marry a 35 year old. My parents would lock me up and tell me to forget it. I think the mother just wanted her daughter to have a good social status and have money like mr. doran.

    **I also agree with Kelly McMullen. I too believe that the mother just wants her daughter to get married and move on with her life. She doesnt want to support her daughter and she knows that Mr. Doran has the capabitility to do so.
    Little Cloud

    I found this story almost commical. The man wanted to be a poet yet there was no proof or anything that showed that he had poems. How is it possible to get work published if you dont have any!? He also blamed Ireland for the way his life was going. I think you live your life the way you want to and if you dont like it, dont put a blame on someone/something other than yourself. It's your life, you can change it.

    Counterparts

    This story saddened me. The father is nothing but a drunk loser. He works, but whatever he makes, he spends that money on alcohol or alcohol for what he thinks are his friends. He should be putting that money towards food, and other things that will help his family. I also feel bad for the little boy beacause he just wants good for his father, so he says a Hail Mary thinking it will help him. I think deep down however he knows there is no hope for his father changing his ways.

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  17. Lindsay’s statement, “there was a lot happening that wasn’t spoken” is so far true for all of Joyce’s stories. The implied message in the Boarding House of paralysis by the Catholic Church and even the resulting paralysis of an almost forced marriage are never directly addressed. Instead, in the clever manner Joyce so often utilizes, a situation is almost created around an idea. The entire length of A Little Cloud is a narrative of hopes and aspirations that are never realized. The tragedy is that it seems that the only reason for defeat lies in Little Chandler’s hands, which is portrayed as a timid and frail character. Even the name of Little Chandler along with his fragile manner almost seem to embody a child-like longing for dreams of youth, only to be stifled by the ever present gloom of the so called Emerald Isle. However, Little Chandler seems to resonate as part of each one of us, because our own realization that our dreams are infinitely difficult to achieve. The particular line in Counterparts that I thought was particularly telling is where Farrington is shunned by a lady with “London accent” after she bumps his chair. This is one of the more direct allusions to England’s dominance and suppression of Ireland. Perhaps the strongest scene yet, is the closing lines of Counterparts where Farrington beats his son, and the desperate son offers to say Hail Mary’s for his father, which hints at the whole of Ireland pleading for forgiveness of their own situation, over which they seem to have no control.

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    I felt like this story was like many others we read where a lot of the information was left out and we were left guessing. However I felt this story was different because it was a lot easier to put the pieces together and figure out what was really going on. I feel like this story was full of deceit and manipulation. Mrs. Mooney was looking the other way and letting the relationship between her daughter and Mr. Doran go on. She knew that if it went on for so long that eventually he would have to marry her daughter and that is what she wanted. Polly manipulated Mr. Doran because she got pregnant and knew that was she was pregnant he would have to marry her and he would not be able to leave or else he would ruin his reputation. I think it was pretty messed up for everyone to manipulate each other like that but overall I liked this story.

    Lori
    I agree when you say the man in Counterparts is a drunk. I think it is sad that he feels that he has to go get drunk in order to try to make his “friends” like him. It is also pathetic that he doesn’t spend anytime with his family but then has the nerve to get mad because when he finally does decide to show up he is mad because his dinner is cold. He is a father and a husband and he needs to grow up and realize it doesn’t matter if he has any friends but what does matter is that he has a family whom he should support and love. I also agree with you when you say that he had no reason to beat his son. He needs to grow up and learn how to deal with his anger issues.

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  19. I agree with Kaitlyn Makar about the “Counterparts.” The story is of a man in distress of his life but his feels like complaining about it and beating his son out of frustration will find a solution to his problems. He found everything as an obstacle he was a man so far gone in his agony that he forgot that it’s up to him to change his life.
    The other two stories weren’t impressive either. The stories were centered on men who have lost track of their lives. In “The Boarding House” the man, Mr. Doran’s entraps himself in the trap set by the two women. There is always an option but he chooses to overlook that. But I think another reason why Mr. Doran stuck around was his nature. People who are good inside choose to do what is best no matter what the situation and because he was from a decent family he had better values than the girl who sang “I’m a naughty girl…” Then there is the story “Little Cloud” about a man who wants to be a poet and make a living because his friend went to London to work as a journalist. Little chandler is a naĂŻve man who has yet to see the world. He believes in making excuses that stop him from moving forward with his life. He blames the furniture as the reason that is stopping him from going to London and making it big. One thing common in all these men is their outlook on life. They focus their energy on what they don’t have rather than fighting to get what they deserve.

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    I liked this story the most of the three for this week. I didnt like Mrs. Mooney at all. She just creeped on her daughter and kind of wanted something to happen between the two. I felt a little bad for Mr. Doran, but it does take two to tango. Polly was simply just taking advantage of her situation; Bob was her ticket to get out of the place she was in. I agree with Chelsey that this story was much easier to understand. And I also agree with Lori that Joyce leaves the end of the story open, doesnt tie up the loose ends.

    A Little Cloud
    I didnt really understand this story until we discussed it in class. Little Chandler reminded me of a shrew/squirrel type person. The way Joyce describes his hands, skin and facial features, gives off a creepy vibe. He wants to be a poet but throughout the story he never writes any, he just dreams about reading about his work in the Newspaper. Little Chandler seems envious of Gallaher's life and the things he has seen. Even though Gallaher doesnt really have that good of a life, he has gotten out of Ireland and in Little Chandler's eyes that is a symbol of achievement.

    Counterparts
    This story made me angry, I hated the main character:Farrington. He is so selfish and stupid, I wanted to punch him. I agree with Kaitlyn in that Farrington doesnt desire anything. Even though Farrington is in a bad position he doesnt want to get out of his situation. Like all of Joyce's characters the theme is still present: he is trapped in Ireland.

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  21. Well I really think it is funny how The Boarding House follows Two Gallants. From male prostitution to a boarding house run kind of like a brothel makes for interesting back to back stories. I think it is ironic that everyone calls Mrs. Mooney the “Madam” because of how she is with her daughter and Mr. Doran. Mr. Doran’s situation is like the rest of Joyce’s characters- he is trapped and he makes a decision to stay trapped by marrying the Madam’s daughter.

    I feel bad for Little Chandler, the character from A Little Cloud. His hopes and dreams are dashed when he meets his friend Gallaher and hears of his success. Chandler wants to be a poet but realizes that where he is in life will not allow him to be successful- a sad fact for a man to realize! I always want the ability to believe in my dreams because without a dream there would be nothing to strive for.

    And I agree with Kaitlin about Counterparts. It is the most depressing story that I have read so far. Farrington is the most despicable character that we have met; all his losses are his own fault. The way he takes out his troubles on his family and beats his son make me sick. I can only hope that his son will turn out okay, and make a positive difference. It is men like Farrington that keep Dublin suffocated!

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  22. The Boarding House
    Out of the stories this week I liked this one the best yet, to me it was the most disturbing out of all of them. Joyce throws in many references with underlying connotations; and I found them alarming. For example the young men who reside at Mrs. Mooney’s call her The Madam, which sounds more like the title for the owner of a brothel than of a boarding house. And the song that Polly sings is basically another way of saying “I’m a whore and I know it.” Furthermore Polly begins an affair with Mr. Doran and she ends up getting pregnant; yet her mother does nothing to prevent this from happening because Mrs. Mooney knows that if Mr. Doran got Polly pregnant that he would have to take responsibility for the child thus giving Polly and the unborn child a better life.

    A Little Cloud
    Up until reading this story I had not felt much sympathy for any of the characters that Joyce had written about. But then along comes Little Chandler and just by his small stature the reader can just tell that Little Chandler is not going to amount to much. However this what makes his character so easy to sympathize with; Little Chandler is a dreamer and wants so badly to be a famous poet. But there he is in Dublin, Ireland seemingly stuck at home with his wife and child. It’s not the life he wanted but it’s the life he got.

    The Counterparts
    Now this story just straight up made me angry. I mean it takes a special type of asshole does nothing at his job all day and then insults his boss who accuses him of not working. Farrington then goes out to the bar and spends all his money when he has a home with a wife and multiple children who are barely surviving. Not only that but he abuses his children as well! Farrington makes me wonder if a person like this can really exist.

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  23. The Boarding House

    In this story, a single woman opened up a Boarding House in order to make money. The Boarding House is usually filled with men from the city coming and going. She invites her daughter to live with her, where her daughter ultimately starts having an affair with one of the guests. The mother is aware of this, however, let’s the affair happen which ends in her daughter getting pregnant. The man in the story is now obligated to marry the daughter in order to save his name. Every mother wishes that their child to have a better life. In most cases though, the mother doesn’t put their child in a position to get them impregnated. Although the tactics are sort of demented, I guess she meant well.

    A Little Cloud

    A Little Cloud is a story about a man who blames his situation on his troubles opposed to his inability to try accomplishing anything. He tends to blame him being unsuccessful on where he lives. His friend moved away from Ireland and the main character sees him as a very successful, although the story doesn’t come out and state this claim as true. Kaitlin stated it best when she said that if you don’t like your situation you don’t have anyone to blame but yourself. Maybe if the main character tried to publish some poetry he would be able to move along to the next step of his life regardless if he failed or not. The picture that Joyce portraits of Ireland at this time, it is not like there would be no inspiration to write poetry on.

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  24. The Boarding House

    I actually sort of admired Mrs. Mooney for leaving the drunken husband, taking her children and making a new start at taking care of herself and them. The boarding house was a way for her to be there for her children but yet provide income to live on. I guess I can understand how the 'questionable' reputation came to be and how she may have not spoken about it directly. She was doing what she had to do. And being rid of her daughter? I don't know that it was intentional. At 19, she was probably considered to be practically an old maid if not already married with children so it wasn't surprising that her mother was not too disapproving of the man. She had another situation that had to be dealt with and she handled it. Polly was probably dreaming of getting away, having a different life although she would more than likely end up stuck like her mother.

    A Little Cloud

    Little Chandler was the "cloud" in this story. He actually spoke of all the sad, depressing things about his life in Dublin. He was stuck in his role as husband, employee, father and didn't seem to do well in any of them. Even his jealousy over his friends success and seeming adventurous lifestyle didn't motivate him. He could only whine and cry, sort of a "poor me" attitude. His character was weak and he would have never been able to achieve anything close to Gallaher's style of living.

    Counterparts
    Farrington seemed to represent all of the bad things about Dublin. Like Chandler in the previous story, he was really of weak character but was brazen in his attempts to not show it. By blatantly not doing his work, spending money on drinking all night with the guys, and then physically abuse his children was all macho behaviour. But he was stuck, too, in Dublin and in his dreary life. I think the physical abuse was his way of taking it out on everyone else, blaming everyone but himself for his low life.

    Out of all three of the stories, I liked The Boarding House the best. It wasn't quite as depressing as most of the other stories so far and I sort of interpreted it as more of a success for the woman, being able to take care of herself and doing what she had to do.

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  25. The Boarding House was very interesting. Mrs. Mooney was strict and liked to be in control, hence she was given the nickname “The Madam”. I think this nickname was given not out of respect, but more out of fear as she governed her house cunningly and firmly. Polly Mooney, the Madam’s daughter did not give me a good impression. She sang about being naughty, has a habit of glancing upwards while speaking and enjoyed flirting a lot. Mrs. Mooney sent her to be a typist at first, but later took her home. In my opinion, Polly was taken home not only because her father would try to talk to her at work, but also because Mrs. Mooney wanted to find Polly a husband. I agree with Lindsay that Mrs. Mooney thought that marrying Polly off would be a way to get her out of the house but at the same time, the girl would have someone to look over her. So, I think Mrs. Mooney was happy when she found out what was going on between Mr. Doran and Polly. Mr. Doran was of a higher class and he would be able to bring Polly away from the boarding house by marrying her. Mrs. Mooney did not interfere at first, and I think she was waiting for something to happen so that Mr. Doran would have to marry Polly. I think Mr. Doran the most paralyzed in this story. He did not have to marry Polly, but he was afraid of what people would think about him. He is paralyzed by the society and himself.

    I do not think highly for Little Chandler in A Little Cloud. He wasn’t able to be true to himself. He did not live the life he wanted, but the life that the people think of as a “good life”. In some way, I feel sympathy for him. At least Gallaher did what he wanted even though it was not healthy. Gallaher made choices for himself and was living his own life. Little Chandler had a pretty wife and a son. He was very aware of his appearance and manners. Again, like Mr. Doran, he is paralyzed by the expectation of the society and himself. He did not seem happy with his life.

    Farrington from Counterparts was a mean father, husband and person who is basically a loser. He had little money but spend them on alcohol. He has five children but he does not care about them at all. He is bullied by his wife when he is sober but bullies his wife back when he is drunk. He hits his child Tom for no specific reason. I think Joyce wanted readers to see how irresponsible some fathers or husbands were at that time. How some men would care for nothing besides alcohol. It is sad.

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  26. “The Boarding House”

    I liked this story a lot more than most of the stories we’ve read so far. Mrs. Mooney is a very interesting character. She is very conniving and uses her daughter pretty much as a trap. I think the only reason she let the affair between Polly and Mr. Doran continue is because Mr. Doran is better off and of a higher status than the Mooneys. If Polly had started an affair with a man of equal or lesser status, I don’t think Mrs. Mooney would have let it continue. Although, I don’t think Polly was completely innocent in this game and I don’t think she would have started an affair that couldn’t have helped her out later down the line. While Mrs. Mooney and Polly’s actions were atrocious, they seemed almost understandable in their situation. The people of Ireland were very destitute at this time in history and it was hard to rise up from poverty on one’s own accord. However, marrying into a wealthy family could be someone’s ticket to affluence and an easier life. Because of the social structure of the time, it was very hard to marry someone of a higher class, unless one was to pull something like what Mrs. Mooney and Polly did. Their actions aren’t inexcusable, but they’re understandable because they felt that Polly starting an affair with a more prosperous man and dragging him into marriage by carrying his child was their way out of the slums.

    “A Little Cloud”

    I think Joyce did a wonderful job with the character of Little Chandler. His description (a fragile man with small features that is shy and childish) completely fits the circumstances of his life. Children daydream more often than adults do but Little Chandler, who has a wife and a child, is a grand dreamer. It seems as if he still hasn’t accepted his life for what it is. He has a job and a family, so one would think that he would resign himself to his current situation and do the best he can with what he has. Little Chandler, however, still has dreams of becoming a poet and doing what his old friend Gallaher does, travel the world. Little Chandler is not happy in his marriage and feels trapped by it (the recurring theme) because his wife albeit pretty, is emotionless and her eyes are cold. Gallaher describes the passionate women he encounters and Little Chandler cannot find a connection between them and Annie. His family keeps him from leaving and pursuing his dreams, but even if he was younger and hadn’t started a family yet, I don’t think he would have left anyways. While I don’t think he is content to sit around daydreaming about what his life could or could have been like, he has no courage to follow his dreams.

    "Counterparts"

    Farrington is my least favorite character so far in the stories. He has a job, but doesn’t put any effort into it and does the minimum of what is expected of him. He has a large family that he needs to take care of, but he squanders his minimal earnings on himself without any regard for his responsibilities. He lets himself be taken advantage of by his friends and doesn’t seem to be a smart person at all. However, I don’t agree with what Kaitlyn Makar wrote about him, saying that he doesn’t desire anything. I believe that Farrington does desire a lot, he just desires all the wrong things. He wastes his wages on alcohol, even leaving his job several times a day to go to the bar. He is obviously an alcoholic and desires the drink very much, but it’s not good for him or the people around him. He is wasting his life away being drunk most of the time, and his family suffers because after he gets his fix, there is no money left over to support them. He is upset when the beautiful lady with the dark eyes doesn’t pay more attention to him, and he desires that she does, but this isn’t something he should be worrying about either. He is a married man and should be more concerned with his wife and children than how much attention an attractive stranger pays to him. Farrington is paralyzed in life by his alcoholism, and so are his children. At the end of the story, his young son Tom thinks that praying for his father will help him, but obviously it will not. Farrington needs some different form of intervention to help cure him of his alcoholism, but since everyone is conditioned to think that prayer is the best remedy, he will never be cured and everyone will continue to suffer.

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  27. I thought "The Boarding House" was a good story besides the fact that we were once again left unsatisfied in the end. Although I'm assuming Mr. Doran decided to marry Polly and became paralyzed for life because of his forced marriage. Although like many other people on here I didn't feel bad for Mr. Doran at all, he was having sex with a young girl who didn't know what she was doing or care if she became pregnant. Even though Mrs. Mooney knew what was going on and let it happen so that she could get rid of her daughter, Mr. Doran did not know this. I think people are forgetting that Mr. Doran is about 35 years old. If he wanted a better wife you think he would have found one by this age. To me he seems pathetic for being with a 19 year old girl and deserves what he gets.

    Little Chandler from "A Little Cloud" wasn't necessarily paralyzed by his situation as much as he was by his personality. I think if he had not married and settled down and started all over, the same thing would have happened. He was a nervous, undetermined man. He should have been proud of his family and the fact that he is a good guy, but for some reason he felt embarrassed of this. He was just plain weird. While Gallaher may have seemed to be living the good life he was clearly unhappy on the inside. I think the reason he didn't accept Little Chandler's invitation is because he was jealous and didn't want to see what he was missing out on in life. It also seemed he was bragging about his life to Little Chandler to try and justify to himself that he was doing the right thing. Little Chandler being the weak person that he is, was jealous of Gallaher and hearing these stories from him paralyzed him more.

    Counterparts was another story about a pathetic helpless man in Dublin. He was paralyzed by his drinking which was something he chose to do. His alcoholism caused him to suffer at work, at home, and even out with his friends. After failing to complete his work assignment (which didn't sound very hard) and losing the arm wrestling matches at the bar he went home and beat his little son since his wife was not there. I think his physical abusiveness is the only way he feels he can be a man since he fails at everything else. Really another depressing story.

    Alyssa Pearce

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  28. Boarding House
    I liked this story because I thought it was easier to follow than the previous stories we have read. Mrs Mooney, "madame" is quiet a character. The other characters call her madame because she is tough and brings her daughter Polly home from work to "entertain" the men, which is wierd because she is fine pimping out her ninteen year old daughter to a thirty four year old man. When Polly becomes pregnant with Mr. Doran's child, he has no choice but to marry her, which is not what he really wants to do, he wants to keep his freedom.

    A little Cloud
    I thought little Chandler was pathetic in this story. He is a little, fragile, quiet guy who is afraid of the street, won't make eye contact, and is too shy to read a poem to his wife. The entire story he makes excuses for his situation saying he could have been successful in life if he was not stuck in Dublin. I think he is just an unrealistic dreamer, wanting to write poems when he never even has before and can't even read one in front of his wife.

    Counterparts
    Out of these three stories this one was my least favorite because the character is such a loser. he spends all his money on alcohol at the bar when he has seven children and a wife at home. He then goes to the bar after work and buys everyone else drinks that he cannot afford. He then embarrasses himself by loosing twice in an arm wrestling match with an acrobat. Then to top it all off when he gets home and finds no dinner waiting he starts to beat his child Tom.

    Mitch, I agreed with you when you talked about the irony of the Boarding House following the Two Gallants. I didn't even think of it but now I wonder why James Joyce decided to put those two stories in a row.

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  29. "The Boarding House"

    Out of the three stories that we read I enjoyed this one the most. Mrs. mooney is a very tricky person. I don't think that she let the affair between her daughter and Mr. Doran carry out because she wanted her daughter to have a better life, but to maybe get something out of the situation. She even uses the excuse of her ex husband as the reason that she brought her daughter home to work at the boarding house, but the daughter's job was to attend to the men and keep them happy. Most parents would try to keep their kids out of those situations but Mrs. Mooney puts her daughter in that situation. If Ireland was religously strick, then why would you allow your daughter to sing songs about her being a naughty girl and allow her to have an affair under your own roof. Now I don't agree with how the story played out it was very interesting. The only thing that really disturbed me was the ending. Because there was no ending. It would've been nice to hear what happend between Polly and Mr. Doran.

    "A Little Cloud"

    This story wasn't that good. Little Chandler reminds me of the majority of todays generation of kids. They want something but are not willing to work for it. How do you expect to get anywhere in life expecting things to handed to you. I was raised believing the world didn't owe you anything so if you wanted something than you had to work for it. Little Chandler is very jealous of Gallaher. I don't understand how he could be jealous of him though. Gallaher apparently has been successful in his career but portrays a failure in life. I saw Gallaher as an unhappy person. He acts like he's happy by telling stories of his travels. Those stories made Little Chandler take a different look at his life, and came to the conclusion that he wasn't happy with it.

    "Counterparts"

    I really didn't like Farrington in this story. At first I thought he had ADHD (attention defficiency hyperactive disorder) because he could never stay concentrated on the task at hand. Then after thinking about it I realized he was just lazy. His job was hanging by a thread and still didn't complete the task given to him. Even though his job is very repetitous and understandably boring. You still have a job to do. He has a lot of mouths depending on his income and he doesn't care. All he could think about was getting drunk. The economy was horrible and he wasn't even grateful to have a job. Then to go home and hit your child because the fire had gone out is ridiculous. I understand he wasn't happy about his life, but he has responsibilities to fulfill.

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    "Counterparts"

    I strongly agree with your post about Farrington. In my eyes he is like a child. He doesn't think he has any responsibilities, he does what he wants, doesn't care if he gets fired, and he throws hissy fits. I feel bad for his wife and kids.

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  31. "The Boarding House"
    I thought that this story was one of the more interesting ones in the book, because a lot of different things happened. Mrs. Mooney opened the boarding house when her and her husband split. They call her "the Madame" because ran the place and was a firm and dominant person. She set her daughter up to get pregnat and even though she didnt directly mention to Polly that she knew what was going on she still let it happen. When Polly became pregnat with Mr. Doran he had an obligation to marry her and although the end wasn't clear I still thought he was torn on what to do. Polly and her mother both seemed pretty pleased that she may be able to marry a decent man. I never felt bad for Mr. Doran because he was much older than Polly and knew what could happen by having sex.

    "A Little Cloud"
    I thought that Little Chandler was a timid and fragile man. He wanted to be a poet but then he never did anything poetic to actually pursue it. He did a lot of talking about things but never actually showed any action. He was a waste and always blamed all his problems on everyone else. I wasn't a fan of this character.

    "Counterparts"
    I agree with apearce on this story. Farrington was another character who was paralyzed by alcohol. He was a terrible person spending all his money on booze when he had five kids who he needed to take care of. He even buys his friends rounds of drinks. He didn't recognize his own son when he got home because he is such a bad father. And when he realized that the son let the fire go out he beat him. He acts pretty childish because he doesn't care about anything

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  32. The more I read the Dubliner's, the more into the story I become. I like all of the hidden messages and this weeks stories were definitely my favorite. I like how in class there was a general theme of all of the characters having opportunities, but no one chooses to ever take them.

    The Boarding House

    I liked this story the best and enjoyed the character, Mrs. Mooney. She was shrewd, conniving, and manipulative but in general I liked how her character was portrayed. Throughout the story, I figured that she might be running a sort of brothel and I felt like she tried to show off her daughter and made her sing inappropriate songs. I think that Mrs. Mooney is overall just a scorned women, who is trying to make it as a single mother. She seems to have a lot of control over the boarding house and a lot of people respect her and call her "Madam". I think that she isn't upset that her daughter is having an affair with Mr. Doran for a few reasons. I think that the main reason is because Mr. Doran is on a higher class level than that of the Mooney's. Also, I think that the mother knows that he can offer her daughter a better life than she ever could. I think that she wants what is best for her daughter and wants to make sure that her daughter has better luck than she ever did. I think that she takes the pregnancy as a way to push her daughter along further. I think that Mr. Doran is upset because of what his family will think of her and if he doesn't do the right thing he will not be socially accepted anymore. It saddens me that he find it okay to get sexually involved with her, but she wasn't good enough to marry. I think that shows that he isn't a very honorable man. I think that if the story were to have gone on though, that he would have married her - even though he didn't exactly want to!

    A Little Cloud

    I thought this story was interesting and a familiar one. I think everyone has a friend who seems more cultured and better off than you do and sometimes that can make one feel inferior. I think that overall Little Chandler was a weak character and didn't bring much to the story. He believes that he is going to make it big and make a living off of his writings but you never hear about him writing or any of his plan of action. I also don't think we really know how successful Gallaher is because we don't know much about his character. I think that overall he might be all talk to and just boasts himself on getting out of Ireland. They speak of how he is well known in the London papers and how nice he is dressed - but sometimes appearances aren't everything. I also think that the fact of how he looks aged and how he isn't married gives way to the fact that something is missing.

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  33. I agree with Brittany Wrazen about how "The Boarding House" was one of the most interesting so far in the book and definitely the least depressing one. Also I liked how this story didn't discuss alcohol problems as much as the others did. I also agree how she didn't feel bad for Mr. Doran because he definitely knew what he was getting himself into.

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  34. The Boarding House
    I enjoyed reading this story because I was able to understand all of the characters and their personalities right from the start. It is easy to tell right from the beginning that Mrs. Mooney’s daughter Polly gets around and doesn’t mind spreading herself around the house. When Polly gets involved with Mr. Doran is when the story takes a turn. She knew her mother was watching her, yet she still pursued Mr. Doran and her mother was okay with it. Before long Polly gets pregnant and both Polly and Mr. Doran are left with a choice because back in that time it was assumed that if a man got a woman pregnant that he would have to marry her.
    *Comment: I agree with Brittany because Polly and her mother knew in the back of their minds that this child would be the best thing because it gives Polly a much better life because Mr. Doran was rather well off. Also, Mr. Doran should have thought the situation all the way through before having sex with Polly and even staying in a “whore house” because it is very obvious that he got the short end of the stick in this situation.
    A Little Cloud
    Right off the bat as I began to read this story I just felt like Little Chandler was very creepy, like Jenn said he’s got a “squirrely” look about him. Also he spoke about wanting to be a poet and yet he never seemed to ever be writing any poetry, he would just fantasize about being a famous poet. Gallaher was an unhappy type person, he would talk about his travels and he was rather successful but still came off as a depressed man. Little Chandler was very jealous of Gallaher’s life however the way Gallaher would feel, his life basically sucked. I personally can’t stand this story because it upsets me that Little Chandler has this aspiration to be a poet but never ever does anything about it, if he wants to be one as bad as he makes it seem, then he should go for it. And Gallaher should suck it up and appreciate what he has in life and start looking at the bright side because there would be many people who could be grateful for what he has, like Little Chandler for example.
    Counterparts
    I CAN’T STAND FARRINGTON. The man is lazy, and he has a wife and children who he should be supporting, but he would rather support the business of the bar than feed and clothe his children. He constantly lets them and his wife down with his drinking and just about everything else. He doesn’t care. The only thing he cares about is the beers he holds in his hands. I don’t understand how his job may be the easiest, but kind of boring, job out there. Farrington makes it very hard for me to feel bad for him. Also I really hate the fact that he comes home extremely late at night, very drunk and beats his child for no reason at all. He is just an ass hole to be quite honest.

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  35. -The Boarding House
    This was one of those stories that you think the ending is going to happen this way, and then the author surprises you with a twist in the story. Mrs. Mooney, who has a teen-age daughter Polly, asks her to come work at the boarding home that she has started up as an "entertainer", in a weird way. She "entertains" the men who work there and ends up having a relationship with one of them. Eventually she gets pregnant with Mr. Doran and Mrs. Mooney doesn't really take any action in stopping them which i find a little strange since i would figure that she would want the best for her daughter since the divorce. Mr. Doran is then stuck making a decision of either marring Polly or running away as he feels those are the only two decisions that he has. He feels that those are the only two choices available since he thinks that Mrs. Mooney doesn't know anything about this pregnancy. I think it was a wrong choice for both Mrs. Mooney and Mr. Doran made for Polly. Polly was sent to work at the Boarding house by her mother as a pimp for 30-40 year old men and then get into a relationship and get pregnant with Mr. Doran. Polly got the wrong end of the stick in this.

    -Counterparts
    Joyce has created another one of those sad stories. This time the protagonist of the story takes his anger (which keeps getting deeper and deeper in whole) on other people in different forms. While reading the story, you sort of get a sense that somehow this anger and frustration will soon end up home, but i never thought that it would end the way it did. I know that some jobs in the business world are hard, but a job as a "copy person" for a law firm being THAT stressful that he need to drink so much, i think he should have quit and found a different job. The ending really killed me inside, that a father would do this to his own son. Wow.

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  36. I agree with what Lori said about the Boarding House...
    There is pressure involved when you put someone into that subject of getting married and getting pregnant too, especially for a mother who was recently divorced. I also agree that it wasn't "very motherly of her" to let this "situation" to happen. I would have done something about it, giving my daughter a good positive situation and not just sitting back letting "mother nature" take it's course.

    - I hope i did this blog correct.

    Alex M.

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  37. The Boarding House
    I enjoyed The Boarding House very much, it was a very in-depth story. In the beginning I felt bad for Mrs. Mooney when I found out how horrible Mr. Mooney was. The fact that after his father-in-law died he began to drink and cause debt for his family, as well as ruin their butchering business. After I read that he went after his wife with a cleaver, I really felt for Mrs. Mooney. The description that James Joyce gave for Mr. Mooney portrayed him very well. I enjoyed how it led into that actual boarding house and the people who occupied it, including Mrs. Mooney’s daughter Polly. Her daughter Polly was a very flirtatious girl who was allowed to openly be a nineteen year old in the boarding house. When Polly seemed to be focusing all her attention on one man; Mr. Doran Mrs. Mooney started to get involved. On Sunday morning when Mr. Doran was up in his room Mrs. Mooney felt it was time to talk to him about his relations with her daughter. I was frightened for him when he was waiting to talk to her because he was afraid Mrs. Mooney was going to make him loose his job. While Polly sat upset and reminiscing about the time she had spent with Mr. Doran the two adults talked downstairs. The two of them; Polly and Mr. Doran with very much enjoying their relationship and they both wondered if marriage was going to be in the future. The ending left the reader questioning whether Mr. Doran was going to ask Polly to marry him or if they were going to end their relations, and what was their marriage going to be like, would it be the same as Mrs. Mooney’s marriage?
    A Little Cloud
    This story starts off with introducing Gallaher and then Little Chandler. Little Chandler seemed to be plagued by paralysis; he was stuck in Dublin in no hurry to get out of his humdrum world. He often thought about his friend Gallaher who he had known to become a brilliant figure in London. Joyce made it seem as if Chandler was a nothing; he never got to experience the world like Gallaher and it almost made me feel like Chandler has some hidden jealousy of his friend. Chandler thought on his way to meeting Gallaher about writing books, writing poems but his ideas were distracted by his melancholy outlook. I felt so bad for Chandler and just wanted him to see that he should do what he wanted and not always think things to be impossible. When he met Gallaher, his friend was drinking freely and enjoying his time. The character of Gallaher was portrayed as a pompous man who didn’t care about his own friend’s feelings; he didn’t try to guide him into making something better of his life instead he just rubbed it in Chandler’s face that he was making something of himself. Although he made fun of Chandler about staying in Dublin Gallaher still had a place in his heart for his old home. After he was done talking to his old friend, Chandler made his way home to his wife Annie. I truly felt horrible for the character of Chandler the whole story and wanted him to just realize how he had more potential than he thought. When he got home he tried to read poems while rocking his baby boy but when the boy started crying and he could no longer hear his own thoughts, he realized he would never get out of Dublin and never change his life around.
    Counterparts
    At first in this short story I assumed that Farrington would just turn out to be a normal guy who was getting pushed around by his boss Mr. Alleyne. When he finally went to the bar I realized that he was a drunk and worthless. He wasn’t paying attention to his work because he had no wish to do his work and he just continued to slack and just dream about what was going to happen once he left work. He never thought about his large family he had to take care of but instead thought of the things that didn’t matter in life. He never got fired from his job even though he was horrible at being a good employee. I felt horrible for his children who he took all his anger out on when he got home drunk and a mess. If he had not stayed that the bar and been rejected, lost the arm wrestling matches with Weathers than none of this anger would have occurred in the first place. I just truly felt pity for Farrington and the sad life he lived.

    I agree with Kelly when she says that even though we never got a very detailed description about Mrs. Mooney maybe she was actually trying to make a better life for her daughter by giving her away to Mr. Doran instead of keeping her paralyzed in the boarding house with her mom.

    -Megan McAlister

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  38. On a whole, this past week’s reading has forced me to change my views on Joyce as a writer. While I still think he is a traitor to Ireland and should have been stoned to death, he has shown a deep understanding of the pressures facing certain Irish women. I share Lori’s sentiments when she says that she grasp the “kind of pressure” put on Polly in the Boarding House.
    This is my favorite piece from the Dubliners because it is capturing an aspect of Irish life that isn’t a projection of Joyce’s own inadequacies. While a majority of his stories focus on men, with women playing a minor role, the Boarding House flips this around. Here, we have Polly and her mother the “Madam” as the main focus of the story.
    James does an excellent job in capturing the underlying relief of Mrs. Mooney when she learns that Mr. Doran impregnated her daughter. Daughter’s were truly a burden to their families, and while Mrs. Mooney may not have had her daughter’s best interest in mind, she still is seeking to protect her general well being.
    As is characteristic to the Dubliners, Mr. Doran was paralyzed. It was unclear to me whether he was more paralyzed by women or by society. Perhaps it is more plausible to see it is a combination of these two elements, for neither society nor a woman alone would cause a man to remain in a situation that is undesirable. It certainly was possible for men to leave their wives and children stranded.

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  39. "A Little Cloud"
    Like all the stories in the Dubliners the general theme of this story, is a character that feels trap or paralyzed in their life. There is no doubt about it that Little Chandler is this character. His lack of motivation is only surpassed by his depressing outlook on his life. To be completely honest I do not see any real closure to any of these short stories. I feel like everything is left unresolved and left unclear and it is up to our imagination to feel in the rest. Little Chandler does have some insight or epiphany about his life. I feel that it is simple that he will never change his life or become the poet he dreams to be. Which is not really any kind of epiphany; because his sudden insight into his life was that he could not change it. Now I believe that if your life is not what you expected it to be like, that you can always change it. Everything in life is based on a choice such as; where you live, what college you go to, who you date, or even if you are employed or not. So if something in your life is not what you want it to be just make different choices.


    -Jeremy Mitchell

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  40. The Boarding House

    I liked the Boarding House because it was really easy to understand and get into. You knew pretty much of all the main characters back stories and saw what their true personalities were like. I thought it was kind of weird seeing that Mr. Doran decided to marry Polly because he didn’t love her, what so ever. I understand he has to take responsibility but that means he could do it financially instead of just marry her just because. I also believe that it was Mr. Doran fault for fooling around with Polly if he thought that way about her because he should be aware of the consequences. I also found it really weird that Polly’s mother knew she was being promiscuous and about Polly and Mr. Doran’s arrangement because it is like selling your daughter off for a quick buck!

    A Little Cloud

    I thought this story was kind of dry and dull because Little Chandler seems like an odd ball right from the start. Who actually can make a living off of just writing poetry alone and honestly if he’s set on doing that then how come he is not writing poetry know? I think Gallaher is kind of that one friend that you have that is a cut above the rest because of his accomplishments and people skills. I think Gallaher is kind of the leader of most groups because he seems like the guy you would turn to for advice or to see if he would lend you a helping hand. I think Gallaher is defiantly a go getter and Little Chandler is just a dreamer, just trying to do the bare minimum to get by.

    Counterparts

    I honestly hated this story because it is so depressing. This guy Farrington is a total drunk and waste of life. First of all you find out that his job isn’t really that tough, all he does is copying things for a living. You find out that Farrington spends all of his money at the bars, leaving know money for his family of five kids. Farrington even goes as far of pawning of his watch and even buying a round of drinks for his friends who take total advantage of him. He is such a horrible father that when he goes home, he beats the crap out of his one child for letting the fire go out. This story makes you so depressed because you don’t wish this type of lifestyle on anybody.

    I totally agree with Nicole Putrino about Counterparts because the guy Farrington really is an “A” hole. Nicole is right, Farrington does not care about anything other than getting his next drink at the local pub. He is a horrible family figure because he is too big of a drunk to be a good role model/ supporter. I also agree with Nicole because it is almost impossible to feel bad for this guy because he is such a bum!

    Nick Cheyney

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  41. I agree with Alyssa about the story of the “Counterparts”. She is definitely right when she says Farrington is a pathetic, abusive, and a helpless man in Dublin. I cannot help but agree with almost everything that she said. Farrington’s drinking problem affected all aspects of his life. Even after he fails at work his only desire is to get drunk instead of go home to his wife and kids. Lastly how Farrington comes home all drunk and begins to beat his son is absolutely a horrible way to end the story.

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  42. The Boarding House
    I thought this was the easiest story to read so far. Pollys mother's behavior was very interesting. Sitting back and knowingly let men flirt and be around Polly. It seemed like "Madame" had some sort of secret plan she wanted to implement with Polly. Mr. Doran was paralyzed and trapped like Joyces characters.

    I agree with Kelly that Pollys mother behavior was unusual and interesting. It must of been different in this time period.

    A Little Cloud
    I wasnt too interested in this short story. Mainly because there was a lot of dialogue in this story. I did feel bad for Little Chandler. He seemed to have a rough life. Life hasnt turned out the way he would of liked it. He was very envious of Gallhan and im not to sure if he should have been. Little Chandler seemed like he was losing his cool at the end of the story when he was yelling at his baby.

    Counterparts
    I did not feel bad for Karrington. He is worthless. At the beginning of the story i thought he might of been a hard working man with a boss with very stressful demands. After reading a bit further you find out that Karrington's job is easy and he is lazy, not to mention he is also a drunk. Who would of guessed? Drunk in Ireland?? Yes this man is horrible a drunk and a fiend. It was an interesting read, following this pitiful man around. Then he beats his son. Overall it was a good read.

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  43. I would have to agree with Patricia about how Little Chandler was holding himself back from being happy/ pursuing his dreams. He was definitely blaming his problems on everyone but himself when ultimately he is in control of his own life. He should have grown strong and took a stand for what he wanted.

    Jonathan Taylor

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  44. The Boarding House
    This story was definitely one of the more interesting stories in the Dubliners. I was slightly disturbed when I found out that Mrs. Mooney was so desperate to get her daughter married off. Maybe she hoped her daughter would have a better personal life than she has had in the past. Mrs. Mooney may have feared her daughter finding a horrible husband, like the one she divorced. I would think ones mother would want her own daughter to love the man she is marrying and be loved by that man as well. The mother instead of stepping in and preventing the love affair waits till she can trap Mr. Doran into a marriage arrangement. It was rather cruel to trap a successful man to a girl from a lower class. I understand the want and need to move upward in society, but it should be because the daughter is in love. Social immobility was a prominent issue in Irish life. I can see the mother’s desperation in getting her daughter a better life, but there must be a better, less deceitful way to go about it. The age difference and class difference is going to embarrass Mr. Doran and his family. If Mr. Doran runs away it will ruin his reputation as well. Mr. Doran does feel remorse for getting Polly pregnant, the story ends before we know whether he decided to marry Polly or not. I believe Mr. Doran will comply with society’s expectations and marry her.
    A Little Cloud
    This story seemed to drag on and was rather depressing because Little Chandler never gets out of his state when the short story meets an end. Little Chandler is clearly unhappy with his job, he recognizes there is no love in his marriage, he wants to travel, and he wishes he was a poet. He is excited to meet up with his successful friend Gallaher, in a bar, to talk. Little Chandler describes his walk to the bar after work. It was odd that Little Chandler refers to children in an unpleasant light and uses the term vermin when describing them; I do not understand why he would have a child of his own if he felt that way about children in general. At first I felt sorry for Little Chandler because he seemed to be a sad, depressing individual. Little Chandler was jealous of Gallaher’s success, but was happy for his friend. He felt Gallaher was successful because he had seen the world, and become something of a writer. It does depend on what the reader considers the definition of success as well. Some could say Little Chandler was successful because he had a job, a wife, and a child. Some say Gallaher is a success because he is a writer, who as traveled, and been with many women. Gallaher did not seem as wonderful as Little Chandler thought him to be from my point of view. Gallaher’s appearance and health seemed to be failing him, he also was promiscuous with other women, drank and smoked, and seemed vulgar and rude. I eventually became irritated with him because he pitied himself and made excuses for himself. I think if Little Chandler wanted things to happen he would have made them happen. He could have packed up his wife and child and started his poetic career elsewhere. He made his environment and life seem like it was trapping him, but his own mind that was keeping him in Dublin.
    The Counterparts
    At first I felt badly for Farrington, because he was treated so horribly at work but then I found out about his other problems. When picturing the ideal father, husband, and employee, Farrington is the exact opposite. His severe problem with alcoholism has caused even more problems for him. This story showed a man who had no ambitions in life. He sold things just to get money for alcohol. He definitely was not a family man, and did not treat his family right. The irony is that his son cares so much for him but he does not care about him in nearly the same way. Farrington has no desire to change and I worry what will happen to his family.
    I disagreed with some of the things Megan M said about The Boarding House. Mrs. Mooney did not get involved right away, but waited till the right moment in order to corner Mr. Doran into marriage. Also, Mr. Doran and Polly were not excited about the prospect of marriage. I do not think either one truly loved each other. Mr. Doran has to marry Polly because he impregnated her, and has to comply with societies views. Polly most likely does not want to marry an older man or have a child at her age. The only thing she has to look forward to is upward mobility. I agree with Megan, about the terrible ways Mr. Mooney treated Mrs. Mooney and that is really shaped Mrs. Mooney’s views later in life. I agree with Megan about A Little Cloud. I sensed the jealousy in the story and that Gallaher was rubbing his success in Little Chandler’s face. I also felt sorry for Little Chandler as well, even though he could have done something about his situation, he was paralyzed by his environment. I wish Little Chandler’s wife could support him in his dream, and maybe he could have been nudged towards his goals by her. Megan and I disagree on Farrington slightly. I feel that he is a bad father, but he should do something about it. I do not feel bad for him, because he is not a caring individual in any way. He seems selfish.

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  45. Chappell has the right idea with these stories. With "The Boarding House," Mrs. Mooney should not be doing what she is doing to her daughter. It's pretty Twisted to try to sell your own daughter off like that. "A Little Cloud" was a pretty lame story. Little Chandler seems like a pleasant guy, but he needs to man up and live out the life he wants to live and not fantasize about being just like his friend. And for "Counterparts," Farrington needed to get his act straight. If you have a job, you should fulfill your duties. And all he seemed to care about was getting drunk. Then he went home and beat his son. He couldn't even think of his name. That's really low, especially for a father.

    -John Hansel

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  46. I agree with Alyssa on her judgement of counterparts. Any guy who beats his son when he is drunk as a way to purge his bottled emotions is a complete loser. He not only fantasizes about women and tries to get with them even though he is married, but the poor drunk loser has no chance in the first place. He envies those around him, and as a way of hiding from his depressing, drab life, he drinks. However realitically, his drinking just causes his depression to become worse. Rather than just be thankful for what he has: a good family and a steady job, he would rather drink and day dream about a better life. yea alyssa, so right, very, very depressing story.

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  47. I agree nathan. It seemed like maybe Polly's mother had a secret plan to trap Mr. Doran into marrying Polly. Maybe that is a bit far fetched, because its not like she knew her daughter would be pregnant, but deep down she may have secretly hoped for it. It is a little strange to think that she would wish such a burdon on her daughter at such a young age but it seems to fit with her ruthless, shrew-like personality. besides, the dude was loaded and obviously being the mother-in-law she would get in on some of that green. Guess the mother was the gold digger this time. I mean, look at it this way, she did nothing to stop the situation; like what would a mom do now days if her daughter was hookin up with king james? Realistically, I feel like if Polly's mom got word that Polly was hookin up with some poor guym she would have intervened quickly and the whole situation would be much different. All in all, the story was a bit depressing like all the others but Mr. doran did the deed, and he had to man up and live with the consequences of it. I hope he manned up instead of being a loser and leaving Polly in Dublin.

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  48. The Boarding House

    I never picked up that Polly was actually pregnant until we discussed this story in class. Although looking back on the story I really like the allusions that James Joyce gives the reader. Once I understood that Polly was pregnant it was much more clear as to why Mr. Doran had to make reparations and why he must marry Polly.

    A Little Cloud

    I feel like in this story Chandler gives the impression that Gallaher is much more successful than he actually is. It was obvious that Chandler was a dreamer though. He thought he could be a poet and he wanted to ask Gallaher if he could help him get his poems published, but Chandler never even talked to Gallaher about this. Chandler is also envious of Gallaher. This is especially noticeable when Chandler tells Gallaher that he will get married one day and Gallaher doubts him and tells him the only way he will do so is if he marries a rich woman. It kind of felt like Chandler was jealous and wanted to pull Gallaher down to his level.

    Counterparts

    Of all the stories we’ve read to this point I think that Counterparts was my favorite, and most enjoyable to read, probably because it was more humorous than any of the other stories. Although I’m not sure if it was meant to actually be humorous I thought it was funny how bad of a person Farrington was and all the bad decisions he made. He was a horrible person, a raging alcoholic, and he is worried about all the wrong things. My favorite part of the story was when he’s dying to get out of the office to go get a drink, but he’s broke so he pawns his watch and goes out and buys rounds for all his friends. Farrington was just a dumb irresponsible person.

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  49. I like what Chappell had to say about A Little Cloud. I totally agree that little chandler is much like today's generation of kids who think that they can do anything but expect someone else to help them out and dont really intend on working for it themselves. I actually didn't even think of the story like that untill i read this blod but i think that may also be another reason that Joyce referred to him as little chandler because he did, in some ways, act like a child. and not just have the appearance of one.

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