Wednesday, February 11, 2009

Week 4 Blog on Dubliners

Clay

I feel sad for Maria. She is hardworking and thoughtful, and everyone likes her, but men are not interested in her romantically. Maria is shy, very small physically, and she is not pretty (as the long chin/long nose reference indicates), so perhaps she is somewhat overlooked, despite her other good qualities. Though she claims to other women who tease her that she does not want a ring or a man, her disappointed eyes say otherwise. (Yet another mention of “eyes!”) During the game Maria plays with the children at Joe’s house, she is blindfolded and asked to pick an object. The first time she puts her hand into (presumably) a pile of clay that the children mischievously took from the garden as a prank, though the second time she (unknowingly) selects the prayer book. By choosing the prayer book, the others foretell that Maria will enter a convent in the next year, which certainly doesn’t seem out of the question, judging by her relationship status. She would have been better off sticking with the clay. Again, Maria is another character stuck in an unhappy mold, unable to do anything about it.

A Painful Case

This story may be my favorite so far. I found it to be extremely captivating and poignant. Mr. Duffy, a grim hermit who seems aged beyond his actual years, lived a life that was “an adventureless tale.” That is, until he met Mrs. Sinico, the woman of his dreams (though he’d never admit that she was!) Mrs. Sinico is a smart, attractive woman who is genuinely interested in Mr. Duffy’s intellectual life (the only sort of life he had). The only problem is that she is married and has a daughter, and Mr. Duffy is unwilling to have a secret romantic relationship with her. Thus, he breaks off their “friendship” (budding romance!), and reverts back to his usual lonely life. He doesn’t realize that his decision destroyed any chance for happiness either of them could have until it was too late. Four years after the “breakup,” Mr. Duffy reads of Mrs. Sinico’s apparent suicide, described as “a painful case.” The way the suspense built in the story, I knew that this was going to happen before actually reading it! What a riveting few pages. The guilt that Mr. Duffy feels over Mrs. Sinico’s death is almost contagious. I felt like I was in the room with him. The loneliness this woman must have felt due to the lack of attention by her frequently out of town, oblivious husband, as well as being rejected by a man who seemed like he really could have loved her, was certainly a painful case…more so than her actual death. Mr. Duffy’s self-prescribed loneliness as well as the guilt he felt over Mrs. Sinico’s death was just as painful. Indeed, he is stuck in an unhappy life just like every other main character in this book. What’s so sad is that he had a chance for happiness, but by abiding by conventions and supposed morals, he is doomed to be lonely forever.

Ivy Day in the Committee Room

This story took some careful reading for me to grasp what was going on. I truly felt as if I were stepping into a room, encountering the characters mid-conversation. The characters flitted from one subject to the next, and kept interrupting themselves by lighting cigarettes and opening bottles of alcohol. Mr. O’Connor, the man who was supposed to be canvassing votes for the upcoming election, didn’t do what he was supposed to do most of the time. Instead, he spent most of his days in the Committee Room, smoking, drinking, and chatting, using the poor weather as an excuse for not going out and soliciting the information he needed. In this sense, he is paralyzed: while O’Connor has the opportunity to help create needed change for his country, he wastes that opportunity. Another interesting part of this story concerns the possibility of the King of England coming to Ireland: while some Dubliners feel that the kings’ coming will help create wealth in Ireland, others do not want to be dependent on England. Either way, there seems to be no great solution. Ireland is stuck just like the characters in this story are stuck.

42 comments:

  1. Clay
    I had a hard time following this short story. It was worded difficult. Maria was a single hard working woman. It really seemed as if no man was interested in her. This really was not my favorite story. Espically at the end with the blind fold and grabbing clay and then the prayer book. The whole thing seemed very akward and then Mrs Donnely and Joe insisted Maria sang. The last paragraph it talks about Joe's eyes filling with tears and i was not quite sure why.

    A Painful Case
    I really enjoyed this story. Mr. Duffy was a single man. He was a banker that had no friends and did not attend church or do any socializing at all. Duffy lived a conservative life with a routine that he followed daily. For being sort of plain, Mr. Duffy did seem to have some culturally points of view and interests. Mr. Duffy loved music. He went to theater's to listen to music and that is where he meet Mrs. Sinico. After meetin a few times they became close friends. Mr Duffy was invited to Mrs. Sinico's home and at first I believed they were having an affair. Then later in the story I dont think they had any physical relations. I believe they were close to having physical relations and then Mr Duffy said that they could not see each other any more, because Mrs Sinico was married. Sinico was killed by a train and Duffy felt horrible because it appeared that loneliness drove this woman crazy because the absence of her husband and the absence of Duffy's friendship.

    Ivy Day In the Committee Room
    Mr. O'Connor seemed to be a man running for election in a political seat. This story is filled with dialogue that made the read difficult at times. There were many characters coming in and out of this committee room. Several different men sat around a table drinking, smoking, and chatting the evening away. There was much dialogue about political issues and ways to improve Dubland. The king of England entered the story and was discussed by the men. In my opinion there wasn't much going on in this story. Just a politician trying to gain votes. The story does give some background into what problems the people of Ireland were facing through a different point of view.

    ReplyDelete
  2. I agree with you guys that "A Painful Case" is the strongest story in this collection. Mr. Duffy is a sad and captivating character. His epiphany at the end of the story is very poignant. He knows that he is lonely. He knows that he has thrown away love, but there is no indication that he will change. None of these characters will change. They are all stuck in a cyclical pattern, just like Maria in "Clay." They have an inability to break free of routine.

    "Ivy Day..." is a difficult story. It helps if you know a little about Parnell and his impact on Ireland. The ivy they wear represents him. At his funeral, people took the ivy that was growing near his grave and wore it in their lapels. He was one of the first nationalist politicians in Ireland. His success was short-lived, however. The media and the catholic church berated him and ruined his reputation because he supposedly had an affair with a married woman. He died at a fairly young age, without seeing the success of his party. Some insist that he died of a broken heart. He was a cavalier, the men in "Ivy Day," however, are not. They honor him, but they do not follow him into action.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Clay
    I liked this story. I thought it was interseting how weird Maria is. She is a maid at a protestant charity and she is a very simple woman, that gets pleasure out of weird and simple things in life. She spends a long time preparing for the Halloween festivities at her workplace, and is excited to celebrate later in the night with the family of a friend, Joe Donnelly who she helped raise. She spends a lot of money on cakes and treats for the kids and a very special plum cake for Joe and his wife, but she forgets the cake on the tram and is very upset. I think it is kind of sad because all she has to
    look forward to in life is pleasing other people and when she makes a mistake it is the end of the world to her.

    A Painful Case
    This was my favorite story we read this week, I thought it was the most intersting and the easiest to follow. This story is about a man named Mr Duffy that has a very boring life. He does the same exact thing every day, doesn't have a family of his own, lives by himself and has never experienced love. Then he meets a woman and they share an emotional relationship, and when she makes a pass at him he ends the realtionship. Then four years later he learns of her death and at first feels discusted and then later feels deep remorse. He is sad because he realizes he lost the only chance for companionship that he has ever had, and the only chance at love that he had ever even come close to. He is very lonely and now realizes that.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room
    This was by far my least favorite story we read this week. It was very confusing, there were way too many characters for me to keep track of and I barley understood what was even going on. But after hearing the significance of Charles Stuart Parnell I sort of understood more why they kept mentioning ivy on the men's lapels.

    ReplyDelete
  4. Clay

    I think that the first story Clay was a good story but I thought It was interesting as to why James Joyce named the story “Clay”. The clay was only alluded to briefly but I think that Joyce meant for it to mean more than to be just a joke played by the children. As Maria’s life was so monotonous and boring I think that Joyce meant for the reader to feel like Maria was already dead. I really don’t believe that Maria had a very fulfilling life and although she seemed kind of happy I think that she was a sad individual. She seemed to be everyone’s friend but I don’t think that she was happy with just that.

    A painful Case

    This was easily one of the best stories that we’ve read thus far. I felt like it held my attention very easily and was a good short story. Joyce has a reoccurring theme of hiving these characters who are miserable and Mr. Duffy is no exception. He pretty much has cut himself off from the world until he meets Mrs. Sinico. I think that he really hit it off with her and never had any intentions of being just friends with her but since she was married he knew it would never work out and just cause them both trouble. There was one line in the book that I thought was really interesting though. It was what Mr. Duffy wrote after he broke things off with Mrs. Sinico that said, “Love between man and man is impossible because there must not be intercourse and friendship between man and woman is impossible because there must be sexual intercourse.” I had to read this line a few times to get the point but I think to a certain degree he is right. It is very hard to be friends as a man with a female without, in time, developing emotional feelings for her. It’s almost a cliché of 2 “friends” of the opposite sex falling for each other.

    Ivy day in the committee room

    unlike a painful case, was one of my least favorite stories. I just had a hard time understanding all the dialogue between all the different people. That aside I did understand that these guys were very bad at rallying votes for Mr. Tierney. After discussing the story I think that when Mr. O’Connor lights his cigarette with Mr. Tierney’s card is very symbolic of how all the men felt about him as a candidate. I really don’t think they could care less about supporting him in the election. Like some of the other stories in the Dubliners, this story would be much easier to understand if I had a better knowledge of the history of Dublin.

    ReplyDelete
  5. Clay

    This was an interesting story. It didn’t really match all of Joyce’s other ones. This story was a happy story. Maria always seemed to be laughing and smiling throughout it unlike Joyce’s other stories which all had anger or sadness. I wasn’t too sure what Hallows eve was but I assume it was something of the sort of our Christmas Eve, happy times with family and friends. I liked how Joyce gave us a detailed image of the way Maria looked, as he said “very, very small person indeed but she had a very long nose and very long chin.” He continued on about how she talked and was in essence a peace maker. Everyone loved her and appreciated her. When she went to Joe’s I felt bad for her that her surprise got ruined by leaving the plumcake on the tram, such an unfortunate thing to happen to such a nice person. Something that also caught my attention was the fact that only the old man moved over for her to have a seat. Why did the younger men not move and stare blankly in front of them? Wash she not that appealing or was it just that they had no courtesy?

    A Painful Case

    Now here is a story that seems more like Joyce’s, again another sad story. It starts off very vivid explaining every detail of Mr. Duffy’s estate and the furniture inside. A lot of Iron was present which reminds me of the railings theme. It went through his plain and simple live which was very repetitive until one night at the Rotunda. He met Mrs. Sinico and her daughter. Much to my amazement I would not have guessed that that was where the story was headed. After a few pages I picked up on the affair. It seemed as if they had a good thing going and enjoyed each other’s company during their late night meeting. I’m not quite sure why Mr. Duffy ended things when he did and why he did, he seemed to like Mrs. Sinico very much as she did him as well. As soon as I came upon the part when he was eating his dinner and reading the paper, his actions gave it away to me, something had happened to Mrs. Sinico, I wasn’t sure what though. I felt bad for Mr. Duffy in a way. He began to think he was at fault for her actions that lead to her death. But on the other hand it could have very well been because of him.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room

    This was a bit confusing to me. There were a lot of characters in this story. I’m assuming Ivy Day is some type of election for the people. The older men sat around talking about votes and other men. The interesting thing to me was that they all seemed sort of cranky. Mr. O’Conner didn’t move from his position the entire story. He sat there and smoked his cigarettes and talked with the other fellows. Mr. O’Connor and old man Jack were the only two there throughout the entire story. There was a lot of talking and towards the end some drinking. The drinking theme came about again like most people do in Dublin. Like old Jack said in one part referring to his son “it’s worse whenever he gets a job; he drinks it all,” much like the story of Counterparts with Farrington. I wasn’t too sure what they were referring to when they were talking about the King of England coming to visit their land. Why was he coming to visit? Was this all referring to the votes they were collecting? The citation made by Mr. Hynes was quite impressive as they said in the book, but what would he have that memorized for? It all seemed to be a bit strange to me.

    Jonathan Taylor

    ReplyDelete
  6. Clay

    Without knowing much about the Irish Catholic culture, I miss much of the symbolism in these stories so I view them objectively just for the content in each.
    In this one, although Maria's life seemed dull and dismal, she never complained as many of the other characters in Joyce's stories. I got the feeling that as simple and mundane as her life seemed to the outsider, she was content. The people she worked for liked her, she was thorough and organized. After discussing this in class, yes, to the point of obsession maybe, but I don't believe she views herself as unhappy or "stuck" as most of the others. This is the first story where the main character is not vocalizing their disenchantment with their lives or country. I only deducted by the title of the story and by re-reading it more than once that what she put her hand in was clay, but I had no idea the significance.

    Sometimes I feel like I would appreciate the stories more if I understand more about the Irish culture and history.

    A Painful Case

    Mr. Duffy is obviously stuck in his life, unhappy with his country as demonstrated by his distaste for the city which he works in. He expresses his displeasure just in the description of his routine and living quarters. Very plain, boring and mundane. This changes when he begins his relationship with Mrs. Sinico. Although it is not a sexual relationship, the amount of time they spend together without the presence of her husband or daughter seems to suggest that this is where it was leading. Maybe that is only the suspicions of a woman's perspective? At least, that is what I thought was going to happen as I read. He was either ignorant or just plain dull to not have expected her attentions. She had disclosed her unhappiness in her marriage. So for him to react (over react) so visciously was just absurd. He was being selfish and unthinking, but then he couldn't deal with the emotions or the change in the routine. He was obsessed with keeping it "the same." When he read of her death, he was first disgusted, thinking that she was a dispicable drunk and she could have led him down that awful road. But then, he remembers how good she made him feel and began the guilt trip over causing her unhappiness and it was his fault. The 'poor me' attitude was not surprising, turning her death into his issue. But it is obvious he has no intentions of changing, even after going through this range of emotion. "He began to doubt the reality of what memory told him." This demonstrates how he was already working on forgetting all about her, his emotions/feelings and getting on with his mundane life.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room

    This was extremely hard to follow. It made a big difference in understanding once we discussed the symbolism in class and the significance of Parnell and what the "Committee Room" was all about.

    The men sitting around were poor, just seeming to do what they had to get by. Mr. O'connor's excuse for not canvassing was that his boots let in the wet. Each of the men only obtained 2 or 3 votes each (counting themselves) so they weren't working very hard but certainly were concerned about getting the days pay and drink. They were not the type that would make any change in their lives. They reminisced about "the old days" and how good it was when Parnell was around. After learning about him, it shows how they turned him into something he really wasn't, some kind of hero. I didn't like how the story read and was so hard to follow. This was probably my least favorite so far out of all of them.

    ReplyDelete
  7. Clay

    This story was probably my least favorite of the three. It was so different from the rest of Joyce's stories, for example, how she likes her rather small frame and compliments herself on it and also at the party when after a she touches the clay pieces representing death and convent life they ask her to sing for them. I just thought this story was in all very odd and i didn't like it very much.

    A Painful Case

    This story is my favorite out of the three. I like how it opened up explaining how organized and predictable Mr. Duffy is. Then it gets into where he meets Mrs. Sinico who is married and starts meeting her because she is the first person he actually accepts into his life and you actually think he might maybe just change. Then when they meet one time she puts his hand on her cheek and he takes it as a sexual desire for him and he doesn't want that because that would take away the predictability and orderness of his life away. He ends the meetings and then four years later he reads that she has been hit by a train and killed. He is mad at first because she just gave up but then is saddened because she was his only true companion. He is paralyzed in his life of order.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room

    This story was ok, really. I like that it talks about the irish history in politics a little bit. In particular, the bad state of irish politics and the how they are unable to maintain thier true beliefs in thier country. For example, how they show little enthusiasm for thier candidate they are supporting. They are supposed to be Parnell's followers and they are doing nothing but drinking and talking about nothing which is disgracing his name almost. They are paralyzed in a cycle of inaction towards something they supposedly want.

    Kaitlyn Makar

    ReplyDelete
  8. Clay

    This story was alright, but made more sense after we talked about it in class. Maria is very strange, and for being so quiet she seemed confident in her body. Joyce described her as kind of witchy, with her long nose which almost touches her chin. I thought of her as pitied by Donnelly's. Joe invited her because she knows no one else, and she does provide entertainment in the form of singing as well as freaking out over nothing.

    A Painful Case

    I agree with Kaitlyn, because this is my favorite story as well. Mr Duffy is one of Joyce's creepiest characters in the stories thus far. The way his room is described is like something out of a murder show on t.v. because it is so plain and orderly. Along with the apperance of the room he also wanted to live far away from people, probably because he had a body under his bed. I was kind of suprised that he didn't kill Mrs. Sinico after she touched his cheek. Joyce's description of his thoughts confused me especially when he wrote about man and man relationships as well as man and woman relationships. I don't really understand why Joyce put that in the story, but after reading all the other stories, it didnt really suprise me.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room

    This story was boring and I had a hard time actually reading the entire thing. Again Joyce shows the non-enthusiasm of Dubliners to actually achieve something. All they do in this story is drink and smoke, and occasionally talk about the job they were supposed to be doing. And like Megan after discussing this story in class I understood who Parnell was and the significance of ivy in the lapel.

    ReplyDelete
  9. In response to Richey's and Michelle's blogs on "Clay": I agree with Richey that understanding the symbolism of the clay (early death) added another level to the story. Though what Michelle says about Maria's acting in a happy way and not complaining about life is true, I agree more with Richey that Maria does have some underlying discontentment. What indicated this to me in particular was the following: Maria's eyes "sparkled with disappointed shyness," concerning the possibility of marriage. Now what I wonder is whether Maria behaves in an obsessive way because she is lonely and has nothing else to do to occupy her time, or has she always been like that, and this behavior is what keeps men away... Perhaps it's a Catch-22 for her. Or maybe she just hasn't been lucky enough to find a partner who is just like her and who appreciates her good qualities. If that's the case, this story makes an especially good pairing with "A Painful Case," since the main character in "A Painful Case" IS lucky enough to find his soulmate. (He just blows the opportunity...)

    ReplyDelete
  10. Clay

    This short story was a little confusing to me. I really do not get the purpose of James Joyce writing this. I do agree with Michelle that Maria never complained as many of the other character’s did. Her life was not exciting and she was more concerned in making other people’s lives happy than her own, but she was content with that. She freaks out when one little thing goes wrong, like losing her plum cake for Joe, and is not very attractive, according to the way James Joyce described her. But, she looked past that and found something to brag about, her body. When the girls blindfolded her and put a wet substance on the table for her to put her hand in, later to be discovered was clay, got me upset. For clay to represent death in this story, I do not understand why the girls did that to her.

    A Painful Case

    This is probably everyone’s favorite story because for once James Joyce put action into his stories. His previous ones were sad and disappointing, even though this one turned out to be too, but this one at least had some action and emotion. Mr. Duffy is just like the others, repetitive lifestyle and lonely. He did care for a woman named Mrs. Sinico, even though she was married, but then was quick to turn her away when she made a move on him. After four years had passed, he learned of her death and quickly told himself that it was not his fault and even if things worked out between them, she would have done the same thing because his life was nothing to brag about either. He then came to his senses and felt remorse because he had a chance for a relationship and it now made him realize how lonely he was. He will probably never change his way of life either.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room

    This story was also confusing to me. It was hard to keep track of everyone and what they did. These men were not hard workers at all but wanted to get paid like they were. They confirmed about two votes altogether. I understood how they really felt about the candidate Mr. Tierney when Mr. O’Conner lit his card on fire to light his cigarette. It is hard to work for something you do not believe in and that is why they could care less about the election and just about getting paid. I agree with Jonathan Taylor when he compared these men to Farrington in Counterparts. They both just drink away their money and did not put any effort into their jobs. Just like everyone else had commented, it would have helped to know about the history of Parnell before reading this story.

    ReplyDelete
  11. Clay

    Maria is a selfless woman who enjoys making others happy. She gets her satisfaction from bringing joy to others. At first, I thought that she was in love with Joe, but then realized that Maria was just very fond of him because she had helped raise him. She leads a very structured and routine lifestyle. I believe she is paralyzed by her freakishly routine life; she gets so flustered when anything goes awry in her plans (i.e. the plumcake). I couldn’t really understand the relationship between Maria and Joe and I did not understand the significance of the clay, until we discussed it in class and I looked it up online. The clay symbolizes that death is coming soon, and some people believe that Maria symbolized Ireland: death was soon coming to Ireland.

    A Painful Case

    I was frustrated by the character Mr. James Duffy. His life was very structured, much more so than Maria, and it was almost as if he would not allow himself to have fun or enjoy life. He kind of depressed me. When Mrs. Sinico tried to show him affection, he completely freaked out and ended their friendship all together. He would rather not be friends with her at all, for fear of their relationship no longer being strictly platonic. He wasn’t even sad when he read about Mrs. Sinico’s death; he thought it was pathetic that she had become a drunk. After a while, he realized that her death was probably his fault, since he rejected her advances and ended the friendship. He was the reason for her deterioration.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room

    I did not like this story because it was so conversational. After we discussed it more in class, I was less confused. These men were supposed to be getting votes for Mr. Tierney, but all they seemed to be doing was gossiping and drinking.

    ReplyDelete
  12. I really did not enjoy any of these three stories. They were probably my least favorite three so far, because they were filled with nothingness and depressing stuff. I guess James Joyce is doing a good job in showing how bad Dublin was at the time, because I have no desire to visit Ireland after reading one of his stories. I know it is better now or whatever, but I do not think I could ever right something so depressing about where I grew up.
    Of the three stories, A Painful Case was the most interesting. It was funny to see how Mr. Duffy reacted when Mrs. Sinico tried to get physical with him. You want to feel bad for the guy, but you cannot, since he actively avoids getting intimate. His reaction to her death was also interesting. Hating her and calling her stupid, then getting drunk and feeling really bad about it was interesting to watch. It was a fairly good display of the effects of alcohol.
    The other two stories interested me in no way. One was about politics, which I find to be a boring subject, while the other was about nothing. Unless it’s an episode of Seinfeld, nothing tends to be a fairly boring subject as well. I kind of liked how the politician guys were lazy and drank rather than got votes, but still, it was boring.

    ReplyDelete
  13. From the three stories that we read for this week, I like “A Painful Case” the best. This story started off with Mr. Duffy having a routine life. Every day he eats at the same restaurants and makes the same daily commute. On occasion he went to an opera or a concert. During one of these occasions, Mr. Duffy engaged in conversation with a woman named Mrs. Sinico. After the third time that they met at one of these concerts, Mr. Duffy sets up a time to meet with her. Every time they met it was at Mrs. Sinico’s house because she was married and Mr. Duffy felt uncomfortable going anywhere else with Mrs. Sinico. Their discussions usually revolved around books music and political theories. During one of their meetings, Mrs. Sinico takes Mr. Duffy’s hand and places it on her cheek which deeply bothered him. He feels that Mrs. Sinico has misinterpreted this act of companionship as sexual advances and so he responded by stopping their visits and by arranging a final meeting at a cake shop where they both agreed to end their relationship. Four years pass and Mr. Duffy reads a newspaper article which makes him stop eating and quickly go home. The article said that Mrs. Sinico was hit by a train and that the coroner said that she died because of shock or heart failure. At first this angers Mr. Duffy but then after going to a bar after which he feels remorse.

    ReplyDelete
  14. I just don't understand Mr. Duffy. This dude is definately an uncool version of the 40 year old virgin. Atleast the guy on that movie was into girls, he was just unsuccessful; but i'm straying from the point. The fact that Mrs. Sinico was married would probably have made a lot of guys uncomfortable because no one wants to get hit with a bat by an angry husband. But Mr. Duffy had different reasons for ending his "relationship" with Mrs. Sinico. He was just scared of becoming intimate, or being in a real relationship. It's one thing to stop a girl from seducing you if you are waiting for marriage, u have another girlfriend, or you just aren't attracted to her... but Duffy was just a lonely, weirdo hermit. But he must have been interesting to some degree if a beautiful married woman wanted to be with him rather than her own husband. Mr. Duffy, although didn't outwardly show his feelings for Mrs. Sinico, but it is obvious, especially after he reads about her death years later, that deep down, he subconsciously loved or had strong feelings for Mrs. Sinico. I just don't get it, it wasn't that he was scared about adultry, it wasn't that he didn't really want her, Mr. Duffy was just scared of her affection and scared of facing his own forbidden feelings for her. I mean come on, a hand on the cheek? That is the kind of thing your grandmother would do to compliment you on being a sweet grandson. Mr. Duffy must have connected with Mrs. Sinico on a very deep level possibly without even knowing it because if a woman kills herself over you, four years after you stop seeing each other, she must have been completely heartbroken. The saddest part is, she is dead, and now, Mr. Duffy will die alone as well because he pushed away his only chance at true love. Mrs. Sinico understood Mr. Duffy, she accepted his behavior and his personality and she loved him for it... Mr. Duffy should feel responsible for her death, he destroyed both thier chances at true love and happiness by being a little whimy chump. Then, to top it off, he cherished her memory by drinking his sorrow away. I hate to say it, but he is just pathetic. Once again, Joyce is able to write a story that at first gives hope to true love, then kills any chance of it. It is just depressing.

    ReplyDelete
  15. I agree about your comments on Mr. Duffy Lindsay. He did have a chance at true love with his soul mate. They must have been soul mates because even though they had everything working against them: she was married, adultry was forbidden, he treated their relationship like most people would have in the 5th grade... But the point is she wanted to be with him, regardless of consequence, and even though he may not have realized it until years later, he most definately wanted to be with her. Yes, I agree they may have been "soul mates"... they connected on so many levels and as you said, he just blew it. Wow, one little hand on the cheek sent him running for the hills and today we have Jerry Springer where girls sleep with thier sister's husbands and guys cheat on girls with thier mothers-in-law. If Mr. Duffy could have a glance at the future, maybe he wouldn't have taken the hand on the cheek as such a forbidden "sexual advance."

    ReplyDelete
  16. Clay-
    I felt this story was odd and some of it was hard to follow. I feel bad for Maria. She is a nice caring woman however she lives a life fulfilling everyone else’s wishes but her own. She is always worried about making other people happy and impressing other people, so when she loses the plum cake she is heartbroken and feels like a fool. I still don’t understand if she lost the cake or if the man stole it. I also didn’t understand the title of the story until we discussed it in class and I realized that she was playing the game with the children that she touched the clay. Clay symbolizes an early death in this game and I thought this was ironic how Maria was nothing but a nice giving person her whole life so why should her life be shortened?

    A Painful Case-
    I agree with just about everyone else that this was my favorite story. I agree with Patricia that Mr. Duffy’s life was very frustrating and annoying. How boring would it be to do the same thing everyday? Even his house was boring and dull with all iron furniture, which was anything but “homey”. When he met Mrs. Sinico he felt happy and liked how life was going but refused to have a serious relationship with her because she was married. Four years after he ended their relationship and finds out she died a horrid death, rather than feeling remorse he gets angry and blames her for being a drunk. Soon after he has an epiphany and realizes he is all alone and how unhappy he really is. But we all know he won’t change. After so many years of doing the same thing, it would be like a whole new life to start changing and he doesn’t really want that.

    ReplyDelete
  17. Clay:
    At first I had no idea why the story was called clay. But then after I read the whole story, I started thinking and I didn’t even recall them talking anything about clay. But then I realized that the first object she touched during the game ended up being described as a clay substance. But after she played games with the children, she sang her song, and it almost made Joe cry. He was crying because the song she was singing about was about being in love and stuff like that. And Joe realized that she will never really understand what it is like to be in love because she is not a very attractive woman, even the men earlier in the story wouldn’t make space for her to sit, except for the older man. I think it makes him sad because she will never really be truly happy, even though she seems like she is.

    A Painful Case:
    This guy seemed like he just wanted to be away from everybody and everything. He didn’t really have any friends and hardly ever talked to his family. But then he meets this woman, who I think he builds up strong feelings for, but never shows it. This woman was older than him; she was married and had a daughter. They meet a few times throughout the week and talk about different things, at first just as friend, but things seemed to start getting a little emotional. They each shared emotion for each other, even though he would never reveal that he cares. But he ends up breaking it off because she presses his hand against her cheek? That seems like a weird reason to break of a so called “friendship”. In the end he feels bad though because she ends up getting killed. He feels as though he should take the blame, because ever since they stopped talking she starting drinking heavily.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room:
    I didn’t like this story. I had no idea what was going on the whole time I was reading it. It was really boring because all they talked about was politics and things along those lines. They weren’t even really doing their job, which was to campaign for an election. Instead all they did all day was drink, smoke, and talk about different topics. But they end up having a major problem with Mr. Tierney because he wanted to have a celebration for the King of Germany and the King of England. People had a big problem with this. Ireland and England did not get a long what so ever. One topic they talked about often was Parnell. They all thought that he was such a strong great guy, and how they would like to be more like him, but in the end, they don’t even follow in his footsteps.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Comments
    I agree with Patricia on the thought that Maria was in love with joe only to find that she used to take care of him.She finds joy in pleasing people but i think she should love herself first.

    Clay,

    Maria is a hard working single lady who looks organised in her work and she is happy with what she is doing.It looks like most people like her and that could be the reason why she is always called upon to solve conflicts.The women praises her for her supervision and one of themsays that maria would get maarried soon.Picking the clay was a bad luck for her since it meant early death.

    A painful case

    This was indeed a painful story of Mr Duffy who is leading a boring life and also the death of Mrs Sinico.Mr Duffy lived his spiritual life without any communion. It is this kind of life that made him break his friendship with Mrs Sinoco after he realizes that the friendship would become romantic.Sinocco is heart broken and she later dies after an accident.Mr Duffy realises that she was now more lonely than before and he is gulty of her death.

    Ivy Day in the committe Room.

    i dint enjoy reading this story because, its hard to figure out wht was exactly going on.Some people are canvassing for a politician and they dint campaign that day because it was rainny.They are paid to this and none of them shows enthusiam of campaigning.i think they are intrested with the money.There is also alot of gossiping.

    ReplyDelete
  19. Clay
    I kind of enjoyed this story. It was sad like most of the stories we had read but it kept me interested. Maria is a hard working women who would do anything for anyone. However, this hard work gets forseen and no one really appreciate it at times. The kids then play a mean trick on her and make her touch clay which is bad luck. She is not the most attractive women and would probably be alone for her life.

    A painful case
    This story was also very sad, yet I liked this one as. It made you feel the pain that Mrs. Sinoco felt by regrejected by both her husband and Mr. Duffy. Mr. Duffy had a relationship with her but wouldn't commit because she was married. It was til after her death that he put the blame on himself and realized what he had lost. He could have had a chance to be happy with someone instead of being lonely, but he ruined his chance.

    Ivy day in the committe room

    I did not enjoy this story at all. with all the random conversations and intereuptions it was hard to follow and even figure out the story. From what I got out of it, it was a bunch of men in a committe room that was supposed to be working for Mr. Tierney but instead they were sitting in the room talking, smoking, and drinking. I feel bad for Mr. Tierney because he could have hired a bettter commitee instead of the lazy one he has. For example they didnt campaign because it was a rainy day. I think there are many more stories out there that could have been better than this one.

    ReplyDelete
  20. -Clay
    The beginning of the story was good and i actually liked it at first. I thought that she was a hard working women just trying her best to get by. She sounded like a nice person and was willing to help others. She may not have loved her job, but she did seem to enjoy it and all the interactions with the people she works with and around. Once Maria was on the train and started talking to that guy, i sort of got the perception that she was going to go with him and start a new life and not go see the family (or something along that line). I thought the guy she was talking with on the train was a artist and that he was going to do a clay sculpture of her. That's sort of where i got the name "Clay" from. But as it turns out i was completely wrong, she ended up going to see the family. When she gets there and realizes she doesn't have the cake for the parents, i sort of felt bad for her, but then again wonder what really happen to the cake. While playing the game, i understood where the title of the story came from.

    -A Painful Case
    This was probably one of the more interesting and better stories that we have all read in this Dubliners book so far. I was actually quite interested in what was going to happen next. i thought (once again was slightly off) that Mr. Duffy was going to change his life a bit and have an affair with Mrs. Sinco. It sounded like the perfect opportunity to change and since Mrs. Sinco's husband was away a lot of the time. The title of the story sort of game me the impression that Mrs. Sinco was going to kill him painfully after they got married so she could get some more money from his death. It sort of sounded like a cocky move on her part, but that sort of the impression i read at first. Although what really happened was that they broke off because Mr. Duffy didn't want any sexual relationship with her and years later he reads the paper and finds out that she got killed.


    -Response
    I agree with Chelsey to the fact that it was sort of hard at first to follow what was going on and what was happening, but after reading a bit you sort of put the pieces together. She was always trying to make other people happy and not really making sure that she was happy. It was sort of a sad story for her. I guess we will never know if she lost it (which a person like her i don't think would) or if the man took it.

    ReplyDelete
  21. Clay

    Honestly while reading this story, I felt really bad for Maria because she will do anything for anybody. She is also sounds like a pretty ugly lady, with a witch noise. I also feel bad for her because she was tricked into touching clay, which means if I’m not mistaken means death is coming soon. I thought it was funny that she got so in golfed into conversation with that man on the bus, which is where I think she got her cake stolen. I think Maria will always be alone because she doesn’t really do anything to make herself happy.

    A Painful Case

    This was my favorite short story of the three because it was the easiest to read and it was kind of like the first one. Mr. Duffy is kind of like Maria but a lot worst because every minute of his life is detailed and he always goes to the same places. He makes a friend with a woman at a concert in which they hit it off. Mr. Duffy even invites himself over to the woman’s house because she’s married and he wants to prove to her husband that nothing is going on. The woman then touches Mr. Duffy’s face in which he is freaked out and leaves. He doesn’t talk to that woman again until he finds out that she died. He starts to think that it is kind of his fault and feels really bad. I think after this Mr. Duffy will realize he needs to change in order to make himself happy and to find true love.

    Ivy day in the Committee room

    This was my least favorite out of the three because I found it really hard to read. There is so much going on with this story because everything is going on at once. I had to reread parts of this story like three times in order to understand it. These men are supposed to be working for Mr. Tierney but instead all there doing is shooting the breeze, drinking and smoking. These guys are doing nothing except talking about change but not doing anything about it. These guys are doing nothing with their job, and are horrible workers.

    I agree with Kaitlin these guys are a bunch of lazy workers because they don’t go out and campaign because it is raining. I also agreed that Joyce could have written a better story than this, I found this story long and dry.

    Nick Cheyney

    ReplyDelete
  22. “Clay”

    This story was one of the better ones. It kept me interested the whole time and I didn’t have to reread it a million times to understand it. The main character Maria is eager to please, but doesn’t really have a life outside of the people that she helps. She acts as a peacemaker between the women that she works with, and outside of work she still keeps in contact with the boys that she took care of that are now grown with families and lives of their own. However, she has no family of her own, and she doesn’t have a man in her life either. When she goes to Joe’s house for Halloween, she tries to bring some plumcake and thinks that it will be a great surprise, but she gets distracted while having a conversation with an old man on the tram and leaves the plumcake behind. I think she gets so upset by leaving it because she realizes that her surprise is ruined and all her planning has gone to waste. Maria is obsessed with planning and making sure everything runs smoothly. While playing the Halloween game at Joe’s house, Maria picks the piece of clay, which implies an early death. What I find strange about this though is that Maria doesn’t realize what she has chosen and why it is significant, and when Joe’s wife tells the kids to put the clay back in the garden and let her choose again, Maria doesn’t question it and picks the prayer book. I find it strange that she doesn’t ask what she had chosen first and why no one said anything and just goes along with the game.

    “A Painful Case”

    This is now my favorite story so far. Nothing really happens as far as action goes, but it keeps my attention all the same. Mr. Duffy is a man who has a system of doing things and he never strays from it any day. The only thing that he might happen to do differently is go to the opera on occasion. He seems like an even more regulated version of Maria. They both plan everything, but he has a routine that he never strays from not even for his family, except for holidays and funerals because it is expected of him to attend. He doesn’t even allow himself to have any relationships because that would ruin his routine. He does run into Mrs. Sinico a few times at the opera, and eventually allows himself to become friends with her. He truly begins to live when he’s with her, but when she displays romantic feelings towards him, he is completely put off and ends their relationship and doesn’t speak to her again. His life falls back into routine, and he doesn’t hear of Mrs. Sinico again until four years later when he comes across her obituary. She was drunk and was hit by a train, but the injuries from the train didn’t cause her death (implying that she just didn’t have any will to live anymore and her body gave up). At first he is disgusted that she turned to alcohol and can’t believe that he had such a close relationship with her. After he gets over being mad at her, he starts to feel immense guilt for denying her and himself their only chance at love and a happy life. He realizes that no one wants him, he will die alone and he won’t be remembered after death. When he realizes this however, he seems to resign himself to his fate.

    “Ivy Day in the Committee Room”

    I had no idea what was going on in this story. The only thing I got after the first time I read it was that the men sitting around doing nothing were supposed to be out getting votes for Mr. Tierney and they admire someone named Parnell. After the in class discussion however, I learned that Parnell was a political figure that had worked hard to better Ireland but died an early death. The men are wearing ivy in remembrance of Parnell, and once again Joyce demonstrates how everyone in Ireland is stuck. The men are praising Parnell and all the good that he did, but they’re not following his example. They’re supposed to be out collecting votes for Mr. Tierney, but they’re sitting around trying bum drinks. Joyce also shows some more tension between Ireland and England by the men complaining about how Mr. Tierney wants to give a warm welcome to the King of England when he visits. They’re enraged and talking about how Parnell never would have done that, but instead of trying to change Mr. Tierney’s mind, they’re just sitting around complaining. All talk and no action seems to be a theme throughout these stories.

    ReplyDelete
  23. "Clay"

    I did not find it to be terribly good at all. The story and Maria’s nature was easy to understand but almost too easy. Not only did I not find the story intellectually stimulating in any way, it was also boring. And I did not feel as emotionally connected to the character of Maria as I could have. Maria’s heartfelt story seems like that of a compassionate and eager to please woman whose beautiful personality is sadly not reflected physically. There is only one problem; to me the story did not feel heartfelt. I felt as if the story was meant to come off that way but I must have missed something because while I read the emotions I did not feel them one bit.

    "A Painful Case"

    The general consensus about this story is that it is everyone’s favorite thus far and I have to agree. Contrary to the previous story “Clay” I was very emotionally attentive to this story as I found it the most relatable story in The Dubliners that we have read yet. We have two friends, Mrs. Sinico and Mr. Duffy. Mr. Duffy claims that he feels truly alive when he is with her yet when Mrs. Sinico finally displays her true romantic feelings towards him Mr. Duffy runs away. He runs away like a scared little boy who is afraid of being in love. After not talking to her for four years he comes across the obituary in the newspaper where he discovers that while she was hit by a train it did not cause her death; she could have survived but Mrs. Sinico had lost her will to live and she simply gave up. Eventually Mr. Duffy feels the guilt, that in my opinion he should have felt over three years ago, as he realizes that he lost his only chance at love and a good life. At this Mr. Duffy gives himself over to fate believing that no one wants him and that he will die alone.

    "Ivy Day in the Committee Room"

    As much as I disliked this story it made me laugh cynically so as it reminded me of a number of people who wanted something but would do nothing to get what they wanted. Then suddenly when the person did not receive what they wished for (because they had done nothing) they would place the blame everywhere but themselves. This story made me cringe. I strongly dislike people like that as I find them lazy and selfish. These men in the committee room are like Christine said, “all talk and no action.” Talk about annoying.

    ReplyDelete
  24. Clay
    The story starts off talking about this women Maria who everyone was very fond of. They thought her to be polite and a great peacemaker when it came to such things as quarrels or problems between the guests. I felt worse and worse for Maria throughout the story because she was so nice and so polite to everyone but no man seemed to spark interest in her. It was hard to understand why Joyce chooses to write this story because it seemed as if Maria was a very happy woman though she never found love and most of Joyce’s stories are sad and serious. Maria laughed at everything and seemed to get pleasure out of little things; she never seemed to wish t get married but only interested in taking care of other. She enjoyed going to see Joe and Alphy, and felt like she could somehow mend the relationship the two brothers had. Though she was unable to help them she seemed to please everyone with her thought, her song, and her peace. The only thing I didn’t get about the story was why the title was clay when the clay served little purpose in the story; it was just something she stuck her hand into before grabbing the prayer book when she was blind folded. All in All though I thought it to be a good story and I appreciated a break from the sadness that Joyce usually seems to give his readers.
    A Painful Case
    At first I didn’t think I was going to like this story because it seemed to be about this man Mr. Duffy who was very plain and who hated his town of Dublin like every other person Joyce writes about. Then, it started to get interesting when Mr. Duffy met Mrs. Sinico one night at a concert. They started to meet with each other in a friendly was that would be accepted as friends but then it began to get more serious which is when Mr. Duffy drew back from their relationship and ended their meetings. I was a little upset with this decision because I wanted something horrible to happen, like Mrs. Sinico’s husband walking in on them or something, but of course Mr. Duffy ruined that for me. Then of course Joyce takes the story on a serious turn in which Mrs. Sinico gets in an accident that leads to her death. I felt bad for Mr. Duffy because he started to put the blame on himself since she started to drink two years before her death and he concluded that by rejecting her she fell into solitude and eventually death. This causes him to then sulk about his own loneliness and how sad he truly is.
    Ivy Day in the Committee Room
    The story was truly confusing to me, the only thing I actually did understand about it was that they were talking about Ireland’s politics. The obviously had no kind feelings toward Mr. Tierney since Mr. O’Connor lit his card of fire to light his cigarette. The group of men didn’t seem like hard workers all they wanted to do was drink, smoke, and get paid. I agree with Jonathan Taylor when he compared these men with Farrington. They were all the same, lazy men who drank their money away and all they truly wanted was to get paid and then drink it away. They did not truly care if their decisions made a difference, only if they got there money.

    ReplyDelete
  25. Clay

    When you first read this story, it gives you the impression of being a happy story. Maria seems content and happy with where she is. However, when you take a second look, you realize that it is actually just another one of Joyce’s depressing stories. While Maria seems optimistic, it is almost as if she is in denial. I think she uses her routine as comfort, and she is actually lonely and sad.

    A painful case

    This one also had some happy moments to it. Mr. Duffy is similar to Maria in that he lives a routine life, and is content living this way. After meeting Mrs. Sinico, Mr. Duffy breaks from his routine temporarily, but ends up pushing Mrs. Sinico away as soon as she tries to take their relationship farther. After Mrs. Sinico dies and Mr. duffy sees the report, he is initially shocked, and then wonders if things would be different if he had pursued the relationship. I liked the detailed emotion Joyce used in this story, although it was not my favorite we have read.

    Ivy Day

    I also did not enjoy this story. I think the jumps in events and conversation made it hard to follow. I understand that Joyce had meaning in writing the story; he brought in political subjects that aren’t in many of the other stories (Parnell) and also brings up England again. However, I did not think it was particularly enjoyable to read.

    ReplyDelete
  26. I thought “Clay” was relatively easy to understand compared to the other stories I have read before in the Dubliners. Maria was a very very small person with a very long nose and a very long chin. She likes to please everyone to a point where I feel like she is living for others but not for herself. She can be really stubborn and picky with very small details in life. In some ways, it feels like she is a perfectionist. For example, in the beginning of the story, Maria cut the barmbracks into long thick even slices. She would also plan a day ahead to such detail such as how much the tram would cost and how many shillings she would have. It seems like she is being overly organized with her life.
    I think it is kind of sad that she works so hard to please everyone around her. She would buy cakes and presents for people; help others out all the time and think of others more than herself. However, I wonder if everyone really likes and loves her deeply? She is probably thought of as a really nice person, but I wonder if people really respect her. It is a pity but if she would have respect and love herself, she would have been more successful in life.
    “A Painful Case” was very enjoyable. Mr. Duffy is a man that really likes to keep a routine with his everyday life. He does not communicate with a lot of people and is mostly alone. For me, it feels like he really needs to feel in control with everything in life. If he has an everyday routine, the probability that something unexpected would happen would be very low. If he is mostly alone, he would not have to deal with emotions and relationships with other people that are harder to control.
    His relationship with Mrs. Sinico was probably the only love he had in life. It was really sad that he decided to end the friendship just because Mrs. Sinico showed some affection by grabbing his hand to touch her face. I do not think Mr. Duffy would ever change even though he realized that he is all alone at the end of the story.
    “Ivy Day in the Committee Room” was my least favorite. It was harder to understand and I am also not so much a politic person. It was kind of cool though when Ms.Howard explained about the symbols and how Parnell was made into a national hero.

    ReplyDelete
  27. Clay

    I agree with "cbarke2" in the fact that Clay was pretty emotionless. I did feel bad for Maria as I feel I know a person like this in real life. She did everything to please everyone but herself. I felt that even though her fate was to be a nun she could've found someone to marry if she concentrated more on herself instead of others. I think she was paralyzed by her need serve those who she worked for. As for the clay part of the story I didn't really understand it. Was it just a joke or did sticking her hand in clay actually mean something? I'm not sure. This story was alright but I felt like it could have had more to it.

    A Painful Case

    I liked A Painful Case as well as many other people. It wasn't my favorite, butI felt like it was easy to understand Mr. Duffy, yet he was still a poor pathetic man. With all his things in tact and everything the way he wanted it to be, he forget the meaning of life. Although meeting Mrs. Sinico was a turning point in his boring exsistence I don't believe he should have blamed himself for her death. She was married and he didn't really have a choice whether or not to let her go. When he initially received the news of her death he had emotions of anger towards her. I think the shock of the death was why he had these emotions, and they eventually turned into anger towards himself. In the end I was almost certain he was going to commit suicide as well. All he ended up doing was admitting to himself that he was lonely; I'm assuming he did nothing to change this and went on with his daily routine.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room

    I also found this story hard to read and follow. There were many characters whose importance I did not understand. However, I did catch on to the fact that most of the men were paralyzed by their addiction to alcohol and didn't get much work done. Not knowing the political history of Ireland made it a little confusing, but after reading about Parnell it made more sense. It's sad that Ireland basically rid themselves of one of their only leaders who was proud of the country. The struggle between Ireland and England comes up again in this story but with the way the men are portrayed it doesn't seem they will do anything to stop the king from coming.

    Alyssa Pearce

    ReplyDelete
  28. CLAY
    Maria is a very sweet and respected woman.I like her because she isnt self centered and egotistical. She is very giving and is never worried about herself or what she wants. She seems content with where her life is and the goals of her day is always a goal to please others. Therefore, even though I like her as a character. I feel bad for her. She deserves genuine happiness just as much as anyone else does. I also feel bad for her because she is extremely homely. She knows that she is not good looking and men never pay attention to her. THe whole meaning of the "clay" in the story is the underlining meaning of death, which I still dont quite understand.

    Jessica ELLIE Shields

    ReplyDelete
  29. CLAY
    Maria is a very sweet and respected woman. I like her because she isn’t self centered and egotistical. She is very giving and is never worried about herself or what she wants. She seems content with where her life is and the goal of her day is always a goal to please others. Therefore, even though I like her as a character, I feel bad for her. She deserves genuine happiness just as much as anyone else does. I also feel bad for her because she is extremely homely. She knows that she is not good looking and men never pay attention to her. The whole meaning of the "clay" in the story is the underlining meaning of death, which I still don’t quite understand.

    A PAINFUL CASE
    This story relates to CLAY in a way because Mr. Duffy is very one track minded like Maria. His days always consist of the same tasks and duties, and he hates to go off the regimen. But, the one way he is different is that he actually finds someone who is attracted to him. She falls for him but he turns her away because of her so called sexual attraction to him. Basically all of the stories this week were boring, but in the end this one was my favorite. As usual all of the stories end abruptly, so who know what happens in the future…But I don’t think Mr. Duffy ever changed his ways nor did Maria.

    Jessica ELLIE Shields

    ReplyDelete
  30. Clay

    I felt that this was an ok story, and very typical of Joyce in the fact that nothing “good” comes at the end of the story. Maria was described as a woman with a long nose that almost touched her chin when she would laugh, I found this somewhat amusing and I enjoy the way Joyce describes his characters.

    A Painful Case

    This was easily one of my favorite short stories that we have read thus far. I enjoyed the fact that Joyce put some entertainment and action in this story. I thought it was interesting the way Mrs. Sinico came on to Mr. Duffy all the time and he just shot her down every time. Another typical theme involved in this story was after learning of her death Mr. Duffy went to the bar to drink away his remorse. He leaves the bar feeling somewhat guilty because he thinks maybe things could have been different if he continued to be her friend.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room

    This was a bit of boring read as the men just hung out in a room and smoked/drank while discussing the job that they should be doing. It was very helpful during the class discussion when I figured out what the ivy lapel represented. That was about the only thing I took out of this story. Slightly confusing and boring, but was another typical Joyce story. Very disappointed in this one after reading A Painful Case.

    ReplyDelete
  31. In “Clay”, the main character Maria, was a protagonist who was clueless about her solitude. She worked to make others happy without thinking about her own needs and wants. I thought is over reacted to little situations because she was so used to her routine. She took care of men and then ended up loving them enough to do anything to make them happy. She is kind of a pathetic character in the story but the most like able in the book so far.

    “A Painful Case” as said by most is the most interesting because it was a story told by many. It’s about a man who is so clueless about his feeling that he lets the love of his life walk away from his life without even realizing what he was doing. After finding out about the death of Mrs. Sinico, he feels emotions that he probably has never felt before. He gets angry because he thinks Mrs. Sinico committed suicide. But then realizes that no matter what with her gone he was alone in this world.

    “Ivy Day in the committee room” was my least favorite story in the entire book so far. It was a tough story to get through. I didn’t have any background on the history of Ireland and have never heard anything about Parnell and his work for Ireland. But after the class discussion I understand the story a bit better. All the men were all talk in that room but most of us look up to great people that have made a difference and yet we fail to show the same compassion towards others.

    ReplyDelete
  32. "Clay"

    I feel bad for Maria in this story. She has the same routine day in and day out. She would do anything for anyone to make them happy, and never puts herself first. In doing that she has lived a life of solitude. She is a caring and loving person who deserves a life of happiness. No one seems to give her a chance though. No male pays attention to her or even strikes a nice hello besides the man she met on the train. It's pretty sad that people judge her by her looks rather than her personality, but I guess thats how the world works.

    "A Painful Case"

    The main character in this story, Mr. Duffy, has the same style of living as Maria in "Clay". Although Mr. Duffy's case is a little more severe. The difference between Mr. Duffy and Maria is he was given the chance to open up to someone and feel strong emotions even though he wouldn't admit it. He was plucked out of his daily routine and didn't seem to mind until Mrs. Sinico touched his hand. Mr. Duffy didn't approve thinking she was moving to fast and went back to his old routine. The ending of this story was depressing knowing that Mr. Duffy had the chance to be happy but Mrs. Sinico was now dead. This was a sad story but by far my favorite one.

    "Ivy Day in the Committee Room"

    This story was hard to follow but better understood after class discussion. After discussing it in class I realised how pathetic these characters were. Expecting things to change but not willing to do anything about it. All they do is sit around drinking, smoking and complaining about the politics in Ireland. They're getting paid to go out and collect votes but cant even do that. They're suppose to be the followers of Parnell. They're suppose to carry on his legacy to change Ireland for the better. Well I can easily say I've found the worst story so far.

    ReplyDelete
  33. Well it seems like Ireland will always be doomed. We finally meet a good character, who it seems is making a positive difference, still has an unfulfilled life. Maria is faithful, giving, and compassionate- all qualities that would make a difference, but she like the others is paralyzed by her own “meticulous” life unable to find true happiness- and she is supposed to die! Mr. Duffy, the more obsessive version of Maria, is another disappointment. He has good qualities in my opinion- he just doesn’t know how to use them. I believe he is intelligent and he could use his organization to be constructive, and he could help Ireland- but he is like all the rest. Stuck in his ways, blind and opposed to love, his loneliness is his end. Ireland’s political campaigners are no better than the rest. One a day celebrating one of Ireland's own, these men sit, talk, and do nothing to help their country. Complains do no lead to change. And with their attitude towards England will not help anything. They are oppressing themselves; England cannot be blamed for their current condition. These men should be out, working and changing their country- a task that seems impossible for all Dubliners!

    ReplyDelete
  34. A Painful Case
    I really enjoyed reading A Painful Case. I was surprised at how I was able to understand the readings, and enjoyed it. Mr. Duffy is a boring old man who works at a bank and sticks to the same routine everyday- eating at the same restaurants and traveling the same commute his whole life. When he meets Mrs. Sinico he somewhat breaks out of his shell and actually opens up to someone. When he realizes that she may want more of a romantic relationship, he immediately cuts off all communication with her, and goes back to being boring Mr. Duffy. He is shocked at the news four years later of her death, and somehow feels responsible. I almost felt bad for Mr. Duffy as a character but sometimes people like that are just lonely. But on the other hand he had the chance to be in love and he ran away from it. I think Mr. Duffy might think about changing his ways after her death but I think in Dublin, and for him, it is too hard and he will just stick to what he knows best. Reading all these stories really make me feel for the characters because of the way Dublin was back then. Mr. Duffy was the first character I was rooting for in The Dubliners, and I was sad to find out that he missed his shot at a good life.

    ReplyDelete
  35. If I had to choose a favorite story from this week's readings,I would have to choose Clay.Clay was the only story that I didn't feel like I needed to stop and read again or actually,stop reading at all.

    With Ivy Day and A Painful Case, I had a hard time being motivated to actually finish the stories. I'm not sure if was the fact that the stories were a little longer than others or if it was because I did not find the characters in A Painful Case and Ivy Day as interesting as characters in the other stories Joyce has written in The Dubliners.
    Mr. Duffy reminded me of Will Ferrell's character in Stranger Than Fiction,who did the same routine every day and led a pretty dull life.

    I also agreed with Megan's confusion of the game they played/how Maria played the game in Clay. I think since we really don't have a background of the game it's harder to follow along with that part of the story.

    ReplyDelete
  36. In “Clay”, the color brown appears again in Maria’s waterproof coat and the hard-hat worn by the man on the train, but more importantly in the color of the clay itself and the connotation of death and decay. Not realizing the gist of the game at first, I didn’t quite understand the significance of the selection, but now knowing the meaning behind the clay, the meaning behind the use of color seems most relevant in this story. “A Painful Case” is exactly that. Perhaps the most desperate story in the Dubliners with another lost opportunity, only in this case, it appears to us that Duffy made an obviously bad decision in ending his relationship with Eveline. Paralysis is again a main player in that Duffy’s almost neurotic desire for everything to be in order causes him to believe that a continued relationship will only bring chaos. The terminal manner in which this story ends only serves to highlight the desperation Joyce is trying to convey and that no matter which path is taken, they all seem to end in despair. The use of Irish slang in “Ivy Day in the Committee Room” is a bit confusing without knowing the meaning of the phrases. The prevalent use of dialog is different than most other stories in the collection and is a very refreshing change of format, but this piece is so far my least favorite, especially after “A Painful Case” which is so far my favorite.

    ReplyDelete
  37. CLAY

    I really liked this story, although I thought it very sad. There were many questions I had while reading this short story, but - I still felt like the general understanding of it was simple. Maria seemed like such a simplistic women who had her daily chores, work, and everything seemed the same day after day. She had a simple job and seemed like an ordinary women who wouldn't hurt a fly and got pleasure out of pleasuring people. I wondered how old she was during the story, at first I thought she was older - but then I think she might have been more middle-aged. I didn't really understand what the man on the train represented. I didn't understand if he stole from her or if she just got all flustered because of the fact that a man was paying her some attention. Either way, I felt really bad then her nice treat for the children was spoiled and especially, because she had spent her own money on it. I definitely think that Maria is a peacemaker and that she will do anything to please others. I was confused at her relationship with Joe, I know that she was a mother figure to him and that she loved him. I wondered how old he was and if he was an alcoholic too and what his relationship was with his wife. Also, the story never really gives any input as to why Joe and his brother are fighting in the first place. I wondered which brother was in the wrong. Mostly, I just couldn't decide what her relationship was to Joe and if she loved him romantically - but it wouldn't make sense because she was much older? I also didn't understand the significance of what she picked up the first time and why the room got silent and no one said anything. I felt like Maria was completely oblivious and I also wondered what the significance of the prayer book meant. I think that Maria and this story would have been a lot better if she would have learned to love herself better and have some action and different routines in her everyday life. All and all I think she was a pleasant women and someone that people valued when she is around.

    ReplyDelete
  38. Perhaps it is because I am Irish, or perhaps it is because I am intrigued with the Irish revolution, but to me, “A Painful Case,” seems to be a metaphor for the relationship between Ireland and England. Interwoven within this sad tale are Joyce’s sentiments toward Irish patriotism. While Mr. Duffy’s intentions were noble, in the end, he is left sad and lonely. It seems as though he was better off with Mrs. Sinico in his life.

    The relationship between the two wasn’t inappropriate; however, it was mishandled by Mr.Duffy. The two, just like England and Ireland, were meant to exist symbiotically. It seems as though Joyce is voicing a concern for the revolutionary sentiments. Could England and Ireland have resolved their differences? Could the two have learned how to engage in a relationship that was mutually beneficial?

    While I don’t necessarily believe Joyce sides with the crown, I do find the questions he asks to be reasonable. Because Joyce spent most of his life outside of Ireland, he was able to remove himself from the pure hatred, which, at the time, consumed the country. It is this perspective that leads his analysis and story to be an interesting and different take on Irish patriotism.

    I found Lindsay Charnofsky’s description of Mr.Duffy and Mrs.Sinico to embody the metaphor Joyce is attempting to portray. England truly was the beautiful woman with other offspring, and Ireland was much like Mr.Duffy who really did not want to be a sidecar in the relationship.

    Konstantine Howley

    ReplyDelete
  39. Clay

    “Clay” is a story of a woman who is stuck in the realm of her own world. She infatuates herself in living a life that entails a strict routine. She pays so close attention to the minute things in her life and is naive to the bigger things in life. Everyone she comes in contact with seems to enjoy her company to which is mainly contributed to her dedication to please. The main conflict of this story is when the main character becomes extremely distraught when she realizes she left a gift behind on a train. I enjoyed this story because there are a lot of people that are so eager to please others that they forget to take care of themselves. This makes this story easy to relate to in real life.

    A Painful Case

    The main character in “A Painful Case” is an extreme version of the character in “Clay.” He lives a very lonely life and is systematic to the second on his daily schedule. Conflict arrives in the story when he meets a married woman that actually enjoys his company. The woman becomes attracted to him and when she physically advances to him, he cuts off all relations with her. Later he learns that she committed suicide and instead of changing his lifestyle from the experience, the turns the experience around into feeling down on himself. I feel bad for the main character in this story because he is unable to change his life for the better. He just accepts the fact that he is going to live his life alone.

    ReplyDelete
  40. Clay

    While reading Clay I was able to picture Maria and her facial features with her long pointy features she reminded me of the wicked witch of the west. I was able to understand a little more after the class discussion about why she cried over the forgotten plum cake. I realized that her life is just so dull and structured that there is just nothing for her to look forward to and nothing to get excited for. It’s okay for her life to have order but her structure doesn’t make her happy, and that’s what is important.

    A Painful Case

    This story connects with Clay in the sense of the main characters being too structured and unhappy. Mr. Duffy wouldn’t make a deeper connection with Mrs. Sinico because it interfered with is day to day lifestyle. When Mrs. Sinico died he was at first angry with her because her cause of death was alcoholism and then as the reality set in it becomes more of a guilty feeling to Mr. Duffy because he felt as if he had let her down and started her downward spiral and pushed her to alcohol.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room

    I really didn’t want to read this story when I found out how long it was. After reading it I was confused by all the characters, and then when we discussed this story in class it made more sense why they were gathering there. The point of the get-together was to collect votes for Mr. Tierney and they basically sat around the entire evening smoking and drinking. Overall they only collected a few votes. While they were there at the event they wore ivy on their lapels in honor of Parnell, a former political icon.

    In response to chappell when he spoke about A Painful Case because Mr. Duffy did have a chance to have happiness with Mrs. Sinico but instead he pushed her away and this infact caused saddness on both ends. This is the best story of these three.

    ReplyDelete
  41. Clay:
    I thought that this story was a bit more upbeat and i enjoyed reading it more than most of Joyce's other stories. Maria was another character who I felt bad for. She couldn't make herself happy because of her structured life and she also wasn't a very pretty woman either. When she leaves the plumcake behind on the tram you could see how upset she was over it and I felt bad that she spent her money on it. It showed a lot about her when you saw how excited she was over the little attention the man gave her. She seemed to always worry so much about other people and never enough about herself. I think she would have been much happier if she worried about herself sometimes.

    A Painful Case:
    I agree with Winnie on this story. Mr. Duffy felt alone in this world after her Mrs. Sinico died. And he felt very angry because he thought she might have committed suicide and he was obviously hurting because he let the love of his life walk away without even knowing. This seems to actually happen to people all the time and I felt bad for Mr. Duffy.

    Ivy Day in the Committee Room:
    I was pretty confused during this story and what they were doing the entire time. I didn't enjoy reading this story at all and it is one of my least favorites so far. All they really did was sit around smoking and drinking and complaining about politics.

    ReplyDelete
  42. Clay:
    This story mad me rather sad. Maria paid attention to such minor things in life, and planned everything minute of her day. I wonder how she is even able to enjoy life. She should relax and go with the flow instead of panicking or getting upset when things do not go her way. She was so upset after she forgot the plum cake. I felt bad for her because she does not get any ones attention. All the young men on the bus ignore her and do not give up a seat for her. It was nice that the one man on the bus actually gave her some attention.
    The Painful Case:
    I found this story depressing. The doctor cannot understand how a man and woman cannot just be friends. I think Mrs. Sinico and the doctor where just lonely people looking for companionship and intellectual discussions. I think they could have remained friends. Mr. Sinico did not care that his wife was friends with another man. I think that when she grabbed his hand and put it to her cheek she was just being caring and not making a move on him. The doctor misunderstood her act of friendship. When she died I felt horrible. It was a tragic death and she left her daughter and husband behind. I wonder if she committed suicide?
    Ivy Day in the Committee Room
    I do not particularly like to real about politics and politicians. This story seemed rather dry and uneventful. The story of Parnell and wearing Ivy in honor of him was interesting. This was something new that I learned about.

    ReplyDelete